Plantbased

So, I don't describe myself as vegetarian or vegan. My only "rule" that I really try to follow is "don't buy or request others buy animal products for myself."

Yesterday friends I was hanging out with decided on pizza for dinner. I'm pretty severely lactose intolerant and had already had cheese in a salad that was served earlier that day, so my stomach wasn't feeling awesome. Another attendee who's lactose intolerant also wanted an alternative. Burgers was suggested and she was cool with that, and I really didn't want to be a pain in the ass and the grill was already going to be used, so I also agreed to a burger.

To my host's credit, he's awesome at grilling and it was an excellent burger. It did make my stomach a little sour after as I usually get with animal protein (I think this is psychological as I haven't found any scientific studies that show a biochemical difference between animal protein and plant protein digestion).

Struggling with feelings of guilt now though, because it felt like I was breaking the "don't request others to buy animal foods for me" part of my ruleset. The meat was already existing in the household and not purchased for me, but realistically, one more will be purchased now in the future than would have been had I not had it. Ah crap.

The only way to ensure no repeats of this kind of situation without being a huge pain in the ass guest is probably to start bringing my own backup foods to events, but that also carries the potential of insulting hosts. Then again my friends are pretty relaxed, accommodating, and open-minded (they have to be in order to enjoy my company and vice versa lol) so maybe I don't need to worry about this kind of thing causing offense at all.

I guess I mostly wrote all this out as a way to augment introspection. Maybe it'll help others who have had similar experiences not feel alone, I hope.

Guess I've got more thinking to do.

Just made it again this morning and it’s so good on a BLT :)

I recently did a medical check, and got my biometrics (following a different protocol), it's made me very curious . I'd like to see what PBF metrics look like after 6+ months. Would you be willing to share your metrics?

Things I'd love to see, if your feeling generous enough to share

• hba1c
• fasting insulin
• lipid panel
• blood pressure

Obviously some of the more terminally online attempts to guilt trip people do not work. I wonder is there even a point to encourage others? Most people won’t change their mind without making their own decision. I think I try to live by example, and being there when people have questions. Being there when people want to slowly eat less meat I think is very helpful. Some online vegans especially on lemmy act like it’s all or nothing, well then these people will never even try eating less animal products.

Thoughts?

Imagine there is a small island, like Malta, and the ecosystem has no external inputs (no fertilizer delivery, etc).

What does a sustainable plant based agriculture system look like? Are there already existing examples?

I'm very interested in how top soil is maintained without external fertilizer inputs?

One area of concern, I have, with modern monocrop farming techniques is the depletion of top soil, with something like 60 crop cycles left before we are current system falls over.

cross-posted from: https://hackertalks.com/post/5800192

This is a interesting paper simulating different DIAAS for different plant protein combinations. The higher the DIAAS score, the more bioavailable and complete the protein is.

PBF DIAAS scores found at or above a DIAAS of 100

• Potato
• Oat/Lupin/Potato (10/20/60)
• Fava bean/corn/potato (15/20/65)
• Pea/Wheat/Potato (25/25/50)
• Canola/pea/potato (35/35/30)
• Soy/What/Potato (25/20/55)
• Corn/Potato (25/75)
• Wheat/Potato (30/70)
• Lupin/Potato

Combining PBFs to complete Liebig's barrel is a novel concept for me, and I thought you might enjoy reading it too.

Indispensable amino acid (IAA) composition and standardized ileal digestibility (SID) of five animal- and 12 plant-based proteins were used to calculate their respective Digestible Indispensable Amino Score (DIAAS) according to the three age categories defined by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). Mean IAA content and mean SID obtained from each protein dataset were subsequently used to simulate optimal nutritional quality of protein mixtures. Datasets revealed considerable variation in DIAAS within the same protein source and among different protein sources. Among the selected protein sources, and based on the 0.5- to 3-year-old reference pattern, pork meat, casein, egg, and potato proteins are classified as excellent quality proteins with an average DIAAS above 100. Whey and soy proteins are classified as high-quality protein with an average DIAAS ≥75. Gelatin, rapeseed, lupin, canola, corn, hemp, fava bean, oat, pea, and rice proteins are classified in the no quality claim category (DIAAS <75). Potato, soy, and pea proteins can complement a broad range of plant proteins, leading to higher DIAAS when supplied in the form of protein mixtures and at specific ratios. Such complementarity highlights the potential to achieve an optimal nutritional efficiency with plant proteins alone.

Direct PDF here

I put my paper reading notes in the original post

I say mianjin as I personally find it weird that we use the Japanese term Seitan which came from a 20th century cult when the food originated from China.

Not just the decision of rejecting or not but eating or not?

I’ve recently thought it’s best to just take it especially if it’s not from someone close them I can regift it as I see fit. But if it’s edible and I have no one to give it to it’s much harder!

I've found myself with way more red lentils than expected and, as much as I like it, a man can only have Dal so many times. Any other suggestions for what I can do with Lentils?

I just joined after seeing another post. The attached is my go-to queso chip dip. It's also an ingredient in the crunch wrap. I like this recipe over the more complicated ones since I always have the shelf stable ingredients on hand and it mixes up in less than minute.

Obviously ignore the fish sauce on recipe two. You could use a vegan one or maybe a light soy sauce :)

Recipe three I would use a veggie stock or don't add.

I had two whole deliveries of jimmy joy. by the time my third delivery was scheduled, I realized I hadn't been consuming enough, so I cancelled.

I plan to go back to Soylent.

I'm the mean time, any tips for like cakes or cookies made with nutrient powder? any other suggestions? pudding, etc.

full recipes would be appreciated.

Welcome to this new community. I made this because I want a friendlier vegan space. Those adjacent are welcome such as vegetarian. I don't have goals beyond seeking to form a warm community :)