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Take-Two's CEO Thinks AI-Powered NPCs Could Be 'Really Fun' - Insider Gaming (insider-gaming.com)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Everyone is heated in these comments but I want to do this. Not writing or voice acting. But a 2D game with text bubbles. You could ask an NPC where another NPC is and they could tell you. You could get crazier, you could also ask the old wizard about the whereabouts of this ancient magic item and he could tell you unscripted. I just thought it would be a cool way to make something feel more immersive but it is also already ruined by capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because you don't need to hire extra writers and can pocket the money? I personally don't care what a CEO thinks is fun, regardless if it's take two or not.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I get that this is probably just CEO speak for saving money, but as a gamer I think this actually could be a lot of fun if it's implemented well. NPCs could be much more interactive than in current games.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Technology giveth and taketh away. AI sucks for a lot of reasons, but god damn if I'm not excited for AI NPCs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want to be. The potential is massive.

But the obvious first way it will be viable is always online with meaningful recurring costs (or even more exorbitant monetization models), and I'm worried it won't get past that to local experiences for a long time after the hardware is capable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Offline AI do exist that could facilitate NPC interaction. We know they won't use them and will go with OpenAI, but its possible. I see Indie games nailing it while Triple As fumble to monetize it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope offline LLMs see some improvement soon, especially with regards to VRAM usage.

My 1080ti (11gb VRAM) struggles with anything over about 6B parameters, which in my opinion is unusable. Honestly, even 13B is borderline for most models I've used.

Of course, the other solution would be to increase VRAM on cards, but the GPU manufacturers don't seem to be on board with that idea.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe with some more maturity we'll see this become viable. Because you're right. If we hypothetically did it right most machines would be unable to run it from the VRAM consumption alone. Always online is an option to offload that, but that breaks my code of ethics and I refuse to make online only games unless its an MMO.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

As a dev, you could do a game with these features and a subscription, while also making the code available to self host and host for others.

You could also configure it in such a way that much of the generation isn't in real time, so periodic connectivity is needed for the feature to work correctly, but persistent access is not, and have reasonable fallbacks so the game still works without it. You could even make the protocols open even if the source isn't to make it easy for others to replace your server as tech develops.

Most of the things leading to always online connections to publisher servers are deliberate choices to exert control, not things that can't be done in other ways.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I can imagine NPCs that actually react to the world happening around them, or carrying on unscripted conversations with each other, or just doing their own things without repeating the same two bits of dialogue over and over. Imagine being able to actually carry on a semi-natural conversation with NPCs and not just being fed 4 lines of dialogue to choose from.

Gaming is the one aspect of AI that actually seems really exciting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I do agree there would be amazing positives to it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

That's a funny way of saying "Save us a lot of money"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Of course a C level wants AI, that’s what the current tech gold rush is. Nothing more than that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Remember seeing a Skyrim mod that pretty much implements this idea (in a sort of rough way). IE you can talk to the npcs but the dialogue doesn’t really have any impact on gameplay/quests etc.

Really hope to see some games designed around this premise, could be very immersive if done well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

He isn't paid for thinking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

NPCs are already powered by AI.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anyone who thinks this sounds "fun" hasn't gone through the steps to realize that AI being involved means no offline gameplay.

[–] dragnet 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If a game has a valid reason to be online, that isn't inherently a bad thing. The complaint is with games that need not be, but are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As if development companies need any reason to push online-only and live service game models. Single player, offline games are becoming more rare and AI could be a nail in the coffin.