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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Journal of Controversial Ideas

This sounds like the name of a publication that posts articles promoting race science and Holocaust denial

You asked me whether it is my view

Yes, it absolutely is his view. Nobody who didn't think that would answer the question in such a way. He's saying yes, but he's too much of a coward to come right out and say it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

(Cw: transphobia [big surprise])

Let's have a look at the first issue!
Are women 'adult human females'
Is it ever appropriate to wear blackface?
"Defending the defense of 'dumb ideas' on campus"

Why would anyone with a finite lifespan waste their time on reading this dreck, much less writing it?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, turns out I wasn't too far off.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Automatically assuming a public figure complaining about having 'controversial' opinions is using it as a smokescreen for bigotry has a remarkably high success rate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because controversial idea don't get you canceled. The Last Jedi was good is controversial, people will argue with you but you won't be publicly lambasted. Actually blackface is cool is a little different

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Something tells me this journal never publishes articles like "Why the proletariat should seize the means of production" or "In defense of expropriating the wealth of billionaires"

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago

I'm now convinced he wrote the article.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, he supports animals becoming wives, but does he support wives becoming animals? thonk

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago

These anti-zoophilia liberals are trying to CANCEL this HERO

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i looked up the journal and...

Black Pete, King Balthasar, and the New Orleans Zulus: Can Black Make-Up Traditions Ever Be Justified?

In this article, I challenge the widely held view that black make-up traditions are categorically wrong.

Why Shouldn’t Race Be a Costume?―A (Qualified) Defense of Wearing Cross-Racial Make-Up During Halloween

This article challenges the view that wearing cross-racial make-up on such occasions as part of personal costumes—as opposed to costumes that are integral to specific cultural traditions, such as the New Orleans Zulu parade—is always wrong.

Philosophical Reflections on “the Filthiest, Dirtiest, Nastiest Word in the English Language”1

When, if ever, is it morally permissible to utter the word “joker”? (NB: The word “joker” is a placeholder for another word, the mere utterance of which certain people find unsettling or offensive. See the prolegomenon of this article for an explanation.)

marx-joker

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Journal of Controversial Opinions is just bigotry?

shocked-pikachu

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Print version of r/unpopularopinion

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

While the general rule of thumb is that you should never take professional philosophers very seriously, as their income always is derivative entirely from their closeness to powerful patrons (with exceptions like Socrates who was supposedly a stone mason when not being annoying in public, see the existential comics bit about professional philosophers being less serious about their craft than professional bodybuilders), Peter Singer is someone who you should absolutely not take seriously because all of his work is deeply tied into both the Gates Foundation and Clinton Foundation.

Especially if you actually (unlike most people who skim the cliff's notes, hear it second-hand or just read the title) read his works, particularly his seminal piece in famines, you will realize that all that he ever argues for is utilitarianism, but he has no real qualms around how that maximum utility is achieved (though heaven forbid you mention the achievements of communism), with his personal belief in maximum utility being achieved not by actual wealth redistribution (though he spends the majority of his paper talking about it), but instead (as he slips in right at the end) population control.

That's right. The liberal academic darling of why it is good to give away your money specifically believes that that money shouldn't be re-distributed or that maybe the real value is being exploited, no it's that in order for less poor people to starve, there needs to be less poor people. Liberal academics everyone! Spending 25 pages to only say one sentence!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

with exceptions like Socrates who was supposedly a stone mason when not being annoying in public

I think that the story here was that he came from a family of sculptors (see Euthyphro) but that by the time he took up being a gadfly, he was an ascetic who relied on savings and alms. He is usually called a stonemason because we usually think of sculptors, especially Greek sculptors, as working with stone, but this is in large part because the wood sculptures didn't survive.

On the other hand I might be mistaken. Apparently his father helped to build the Parthenon (which is indeed stone). Now I'm trying to figure out where I got the idea of Socrates working with wood. Maybe I'm inverting the "Jesus was a carpenter" (he was actually a stonemason) thing in my head, but I think I read it in the footnotes of a Euthyphro translation or something.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I do not ever recall anyone ever claiming that he worked with wood, though it has been awhile since I read any dialogues (particularly in Greek, I don't mias that). I think there is a small portion of one of the Xenophon dialogues that goes into it abit (as Xenophon generally speaking was less interested in just using Socrates as an ideas mouthpiece than Plato).

I agree whatever his previous profession, by the time he was a public philosopher, he pretty much survived by dinners with patrons and his personal savings, but critically, and probably why he was executed, he eschewed teaching the elite's children for money (which is what Plato would end up doing) preferring to do all of his teaching either outside the city, in the forum, or while drunk at private residences for a pittance.

Edit: Most of the most famous platonic dialogues are him 'in debate' (though if he was actually having these discussions is obviously apocryphal) with the leading 'virtue' teachers who were the premier teachers of the children of Athenian elites, with Plato basically using these dialogues as a method of advertisement to the elites as why his academic style curriculum was better, basically using Socrates as a mouthpiece to point out how full of shit they were.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just because you’re articulate doesn’t mean you’re right, it just makes you a sophist.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

am I missing something or did he not actually answer the question or give his opinion on the question

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He absolutely did, but he did it in a specific way so that when people call him out in the future, he can say he technically never did say he supported it!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

Intentionally talking in circles seems to be what a lot of philosophy is actually for.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Jordan Peterson gambit

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

nah im not touching this with a ten foot pole

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

Yup those are the only two choices.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

Virgin utilitarian: writes tl;dr papers on why fucking animals is okay aktually

Chad virtue ethicist: "Would Jesus/Socrates/Confucius/Buddha/Aurelius fuck animals? No? Then I shouldn't fuck animals."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Now imagine you are an animal that is taken good care of but also the owner does not bang you...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m just thinking about how easily he could’ve said he doesn’t think animals should be abused whether the abuse is sexual or not, instead of writing a paragraph of soft core zoophilia erotica.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don't pretend like a dog never made you horny. smuglord

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is by far the most unsettling usage of that emoji I have ever seen. Thanks please fuck off lol.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

The most normal utilitarian

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

Bit Idea: A t-shirt that says "I fucking love animals" with a strategically placed transposition proofing mark.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

journal of controversial ideas? no thanks i already can go browse r/askreddit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

controversial ideas

r/askreddit

doubt Not controversial among the circlejerkers.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

You can take the creep out of Epstein's island, but you can't take Epstein's island out of the creep. epsteingelion

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are missing the last line:

Which animal would you rather be?

Which is furthermore underlined in the screenshots he posts, strengthening the implication.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well that was upsetting to read.

Anyhoo, I've been vegan for 8 days and counting, and not once have I wanted to fuck an animal. trans-vegan

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Congratulations and well done! Not fucking animals is the hardest part of being vegan! But fr tho good job and if you need any recipes or anything you come to me, capiche? vegan-liberation-rad

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

this man is a wall candidate now for sure

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Deranged Hexbear trolls do not miss.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People should have stopped taking anything this guy says seriously decades ago. Peter Singer was always a quack/charlatan. From his definition of specieisism, to being a misanthrope, his disregard of ethics, I don't know why anyone would take him seriously.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Lmao this is some v*ush-tier shit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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