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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.


Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Lebanon! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.



Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

You're going to have to (hex)bear with me on the update this week. Have you been feeling generally pretty terrible this last month or so? So have I, and doomscrolling and archiving it all is my quasi-job at this point. Not good, folks, more and more people are saying it. I'll get over it eventually.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Colombia Supports International Accusation Against Netanyahu

A PNC member praised Gustavo Petro for giving a lesson to the world on how to face the Israeli genocide against the Palestinians.

On Thursday, President Gustavo Petro announced that Colombia will support Algeria in the denunciation of crimes against humanity against Benjamin Netanyahu.

“Colombia will contribute to the complaint of the Republic of Algeria filed before the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes against Benjamin Netanyahu in light of the massacre of children and civilians of the Palestinian people that he has produced,” he said.

On Friday, the Colombian Foreign Affairs Minister Alvaro Leyva will meet with the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court to discuss the issue of monitoring the lawsuit.

“Once again, the Colombian President Gustavo Petro giving a lesson to the world on how to face a genocide like the one that Israel is perpetrating in Palestine, Gaza, in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. Another step for justice!!,” said Rafael Araya Masry, a member of the Palestinian National Council.

Previously, lawyer Abdelmadjid Marari announced that Algeria presented a class action lawsuit against Netanyahu at the ICC headquarters for the war crimes that the Israeli occupation forces are committing in Gaza.

This lawsuit was prepared by social activists and lawyers who went to the International Criminal Court in response to the words of the President of Algeria Abdelmadjid Tebboune, who asked Arab legal experts and human rights defenders to file the complaint before the ICC to hold Israel responsible for the genocide.

Relations between Colombia and Israel have become strained since Israeli occupation forces began incessant bombing of Gaza on October 7.

As a result of the notorious violations of human rights, Petro called the Colombian ambassador to Israel, Margarita Manjarrez Herrera, for consultations. The Colombian Foreign Ministry accompanied this action by expressing its rejection of Israel's war offensive in Gaza

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago

Iranian President and Indian PM Call for End to Israeli Attacks

So far, Israeli bombings have killed 10,000 Palestinians, injured 25,400 people, and caused the forced displacement of 1.5 million inhabitants.

On Monday, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi called for putting an immediate end to the deadly Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip.

They made the appeal in a phone conversation when discussing the latest developments in the enclave. Raisi also called for stopping the killing of civilians in Gaza, saying it had enraged the world's "free peoples" and could have transregional consequences.

The president vowed support for the collective effort to achieve an immediate cease-fire in Gaza, lift the siege and allow more humanitarian aid into it.

He also deplored the West's "hypocritical" approach of portraying an "incorrect picture" of the developments in Gaza to gain public approval for "forced displacement of the Palestinian nation on the pretext of fighting terrorism."

Raisi denounced the United States as "Israel's main accomplice" due to "its all-out financial, arms and intelligence support for Israel and opposition to proposed resolutions in the UN Security Council that called for an end to the conflict."

For his part, Modi expressed concern over the unfavorable situation in Gaza, condemning "Israel's killing of civilians in the enclave," calling for diplomatic efforts to find a solution to the conflict and prevent its expansion to the rest of the region.

Tuesday marks one month of continuous attacks by the Israeli occupation forces against the population in Gaza. At the latest count, Israeli bombings have killed 10,000 Palestinians, injured 25,400 people and caused the forced displacement of 1.5 million inhabitants in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

~~Shout out to Jamaal Bowman~~ for not only tweeting about the R9X Hellfire that Genocide Joe delivered to Israel to use on journalists, but also for actually tweeting out the video of the strike and the aftermath.The US media will never fucking show it, and the public needs to see it.

Nevermind, he deleted his tweet, he's a complete loser again.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Do we have a "What is Zionism?" one-page document I can throw at someone? They're "very offended" that I said Hamas changed it's charter to distinguish between fighting Zionism and fighting all Jewish people because they ahve "family ties in Israel" and I just don't want to write a whole fucking thing right now, especially because I'm half-convinced anything I say will blow up the discord. Dude's already pulled out the "Your opinion is invalid because I have family on the ground" thing. : p

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Cornell said Slava Ukraine, Slava Israeli and Slava Italy so I don’t know if he has my vote anymore

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

megathreadcels who only post in the megathread: soy-cutie

postcels who post all over the site: https://hexbear.net/post/1042007 soviet-chad

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Video of desperate Zelensky: "If you can't give us some financial support, okay please give us credit and we will give you back money."

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (6 children)

What happens if China suddenly decides to dump all US T bonds tomorrow?

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Ezra Klein "the importance of discourse"d the Gaza War.

0/10 as commentary
8.5/10 as comedy

Before there can be any kind of stable coexistence of people in Israel and Palestine, there will have to be a stable coexistence of narratives.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Heard that the Zapatistas dissolved their autonomous government just now, they need not worry, I got the perfect guy to lead them into the future.

I present to you, the interim autonomous government personified, Juan Guaido! guaido

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (12 children)

our president:

“There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also, I don’t know,” Trump said in the interview aired on Thursday.

“You know, it’s not as obvious, but probably that’s it too. So sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends. The sad part is that would have never been an attack on Israel and there would have never been a counterattack on Gaza. Yeah, I mean, Gaza, what’s happening to Gaza? It’s just unbelievable.”

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Funny drama video of Will Stancil getting dunked on by the 🔻 brigades: twitter / nitter

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

New line spotted among fringe right wing circles in Poland: 'Israel is not worthy of our support because they're actually a woke society that has been allowing adoption by same sex couples since 2008'.

That's similar posturing logic to when Trump said he actually doesn't like Netanyahu because he didn't get enough direct support from him during the Qasem Soleimani assassination. I wonder if the US patsocs will also make use of these 'Israel is too soft for us' brainworms as well. Also, even Scott Ritter keeps saying it's all Netanyahu's fault, as if the next politician in line will be some dove.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Holy shit they are evacuating a whole town.

It cannot be ruled out that the magma tunnel goes under Grindavík

The police chief in Suðurnes in cooperation with Civil Defence have decided to evacuate Grindavík.

The Civil Defence Level of Emergency has come into effect.

All residents are required to evacuate their homes and leave the town.

It is essential that all family members know the evacuation plan. Everyone must remember to bring medicine and other necessities with them. People are asked to put a note in a window to show that the house is empty.

There will be strong law enforcement in and around the town in order to secure the belongings of the townspeople.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Before - I wondered what Israel would say after they intentionally bombed a hospital. Now I think I know.

I believe after they've killed hundreds (or god forbid more) in a hospital they're going to say something like "Our forces took incoming fire from Al-Shifa hospital and we responded." Eventually the Israelis will be forced to admit that they used "from" very elastically. But they'll keep insisting that they had no choice and that Hamas is responsible for the deaths because they use Gazans as human shields, etc.

And of course - once they bomb a hospital - they'll make it clear every single square centimeter of Gaza is in their mind a legitimate target. All they need to do is say "Hamas shot at us from roughly the location of that square centimeter."

Israeli troops engaged in “ongoing intense fighting” near Al-Shifa hospital, army tells CNN

The Israeli army has told CNN it is engaged in “ongoing intense fighting” against Hamas in the vicinity of the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City but refused to comment further on its forces’ proximity to the complex because military activity was still underway.

Medics at the hospital say the complex has been hit by artillery fire, but Israeli army spokespeople in a separate telephone briefing with journalists on Saturday did not address those reports.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-11-23/h_beba0ddf94f484c01ad8703a66778981


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Israeli army shoots at people trying to flee hospital: Aid group | Al Jazeera

Tweet embeds at the link.


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I'm reading worse and worse news every hour. Emphasis mine. This isn't creepy at all.

Israeli military says another hospital has been all but evacuated

We've been bringing you lines today from the Al-Shifa, Al-Quds and Al-Ahli hospitals - and our diplomatic correspondent has news from a fourth medical facility in the besieged Gaza Strip.

This morning, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) briefed reporters on the situation at one of Gaza’s smaller hospitals, the Rantisi specialist hospital in the Rimal neighbourhood.

The IDF said the facility had been all but evacuated in the past few days - with no more than about 20 patients in beds still inside, along with a handful of staff.

An officer identified only as Maj Shai, of the Givati Brigade, said that after several days of trying to persuade civilians to leave the hospital, a large group finally left on Thursday, but only after chaotic scenes.

Video that emerged yesterday showed civilians, waving white flags, leaving the hospital courtyard - but coming under fire and having to retreat back inside. Maj Shai said Hamas gunmen were responsible for the shooting. “Hamas terrorists were shooting at them in order to scare them back in.”

Having identified members of Hamas in the crowd and the hospital, he said his unit decided it was too risky to deploy snipers and let everyone go.

The IDF clearly regards the near-total evacuation of Rantisi hospital as a model it would like to see repeated elsewhere, especially Al-Shifa.

But that hospital is much larger, and the operation there is clearly much more complex.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67385263?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=654f95cc1ec331355f9628f5%26Israeli%20military%20says%20another%20hospital%20has%20been%20all%20but%20evacuated%262023-11-11T14%3A55%3A09.228Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:591629eb-8ded-4f10-b5e3-bc57812306a7&pinned_post_asset_id=654f95cc1ec331355f9628f5&pinned_post_type=share

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (7 children)

electoralismNBC: 'Five-alarm fire': Democratic frustrations with Biden spill into the open

Some quotes:

Biden has given no indication he is interested in dropping out. Nor does his campaign team seem to be sweating the New York Times/Siena College poll that showed him losing to Republican Donald Trump in five of the six swing states that he captured in his 2020 victory.

"Once more regular people are tuning in, our record will come into focus," this person added.

:yea:

The divisions within the party over the month-old war echo the searing debate over the Vietnam War, which caused then-President Lyndon Johnson to forego a re-election bid in 1968.

:leo-point:

Filing deadlines for the New Hampshire and Nevada primaries have already passed, and South Carolina’s deadline is Friday. Candidates have only until Dec. 8 to file for the ballot in Michigan, which will move into the early-state window in 2024 for the first time. And numerous other states, including delegate-rich ones like Texas and California, have deadlines in mid-December, leaving precious little time for prospective challengers to jump in.

popcorn-time

While party rules provide for changing the nominee at the convention and even after, the process is messy, untested and likely to result in litigation. Moreover, Biden controls the Democratic National Committee through allies he appointed, as is standard practice, and the party apparatus is already enmeshed in Biden’s campaign.

Indeed, the DNC re-wrote the primary calendar at Biden’s behest, moving up South Carolina, which Biden won in 2020, and demoting New Hampshire and Iowa, which he lost.

lea-think

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Advanced pinkwashing studies:

If you make 50-100 thousands lgbtq people in palestine homeless, and kill around 500 of them, thats actually adavancing minority rights, because you'll allow them to wave rainbow flag.

Allowing their immigration out of gaza beforehand is out of question

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Al Jazeera - this is the entire update...

~16m ago

Israeli raid in Jenin kills at least 14 people

The rise in the death toll means that 18 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank on Thursday.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m about to stage a coup in Israel

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

imagine how pissed all those GWOT vets are that they spent so much time covering up their war crimes and sleeping through ROE briefings just for Israel to get this much of a green light

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Israel has bombed the Indonesian Hospital

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Israeli media be like "Tel Aviv struck by 10-mile-wide asteroid travelling at Mach 50; 7 critical injuries and 10 wounded"

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