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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The AP is doing something simple that the vast majority of American reportage does not. They are talking to Gazans. In a shocker it turns out that hasbara and the reality on the ground are not the same.

Israel prepares for possible ground assault in Gaza as war deaths mount | AP News

Palestinian residents of the city of Beit Lahiya in the northern region of the Gaza Strip said Thursday that Israeli planes dropped flyers warning them to evacuate their homes and to head to "known shelters."

"Anyone who is near Hamas terrorists will put their lives in danger," the flyers said. "Adhering to IDF instructions will prevent you from being exposed to danger."

The area had already been heavily struck by the time the flyers were dropped. Shelters in the Gaza Strip are not safe from airstrikes — the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees has seen 10 of its shelters struck since the start of the operation.

Palestinians living the pummeled Strip have said that the military often has not alerted them before striking homes, or will alert them but not with enough time to evacuate before their homes are struck. Israeli defense officials have said that they attempt to provide warning before strikes.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yanis Varoufakis on (i assume) novara media asks "who will represent europe" in ukraine negotiations as an example of how europe has no figure that can represent it all and is entirely irrelevant. https://streamable.com/tma66l

Simple and easy way to get people to seriously consider how vassalised europe is now.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

The brave resistance of the Palestinian people gives me a bit of hope for our doomed world

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

EDIT: Not sure of the validity of this one.

“We have abolished all the rules of warfare. Our soldiers will not be held responsible for anything. There will be no military courts.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All the hype regarding IDF and Mossad Fell flat on it's face so hard that the US has to send Aircraft carriers to defend Israel from Guerilla fighters.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Boutta say "lenin go on hexbear" but I realized admins would have him banned immediately for sectarianism

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Palestinian Health Ministry states Israeli airstrikes targeted three convoys transporting evacuees in southern Gaza today, resulting in at least 70 fatalities.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

80/20 rule but it's international-community-1international-community-2 being responsible for 80% of the evil on Earth while having 20% of the population.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

god bless our beautiful mods. we love them, don't we folks?

reading through the modlogs lately is ptsd-inducing so thank you all for keeping this a righteous space

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

The leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States have released a joint statement regarding Israel. (whitehouse.gov link)

Today, we — President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States — express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.

The Empire is all in.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

more like hexbollah amiright

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Wikipedia (to the surprise of no one here I'm sure) is in full propaganda mode along with the rest of the MSM, without even a pretense that it's not.

I happened to look up "Qassam rocket" (incidentally, due to an unrelated comment by @[email protected] here) and this is what shows up in the ddg results for the wikipedia article.

The Qassam rocket is a simple, steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military arm of Hamas. These rockets cannot be fired to target specific military objectives in or near civilian areas, and are "indiscriminate when used against targets in population centers".

But all the bombs including cluster bombs and white phosphorous that Israel is using to flatten Palestinian neighborhoods have "surgical precision."

The Qassam rocket is a simple, steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Hamas military arm. It is used by Palestinian militants to target civilian targets in the Gaza Strip and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but it is too inaccurate and prone to malfunction.

Oh, those rockets are used exclusively by militants to target civilians. That's it though, they're made to single out civilians. Oh but they constantly malfunction no doubt because they're made by subhumans. I guess that explains why so many military targets get hit by them - the rockets were meant to kill civilians, but because they're so inaccurate, they end up hitting military installations instead. Makes sense.

Edit: I'm getting different results in the text each time I do the search. I guess they're editing it a lot right now. Each fucking entry still focuses on these rockets being specifically civilian-murder devices though.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

feast We have the best mega, folks. It's a beautiful mega. Thay say we'll hit 4k by friday. Do I believe it, possibly. Will it, i hope it does.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (21 children)

The further this escalates the more you're gonna see a lot of crazy shit from american christians. As someone who grew up in a very christian family I remember hearing a lot about end times prophecy and as a kid I got into the left behind series and I myself was convinced the rapture was gonna happen. What's happening now pushes a lot of these peoples buttons the fundies are already going ape shit over this convinced it means jesus is coming because a conflict involving Israel is supposedly when the tribulation begins.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The emergency meeting of the Arab League regarding the situation in Gaza has commenced.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Ken Klippenstein long tweet. What jumped out at me was the last sentence that I put in bold.

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of 'something big' — Times of Israel

Mounting questions over Israel's massive intelligence failure to anticipate and prepare for a surprise Hamas assault were compounded Monday when an Egyptian intelligence official said that Jerusalem had ignored repeated warnings that the Gaza-based terror group was planning "something big" — which included an apparent direct notice from Cairo's intelligence minister to the prime minister.

The Egyptian official said Egypt, which often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about "something big," without elaborating.

He said Israeli officials were focused on the West Bank and played down the threat from Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government is made up of supporters of West Bank settlers who have demanded a security crackdown there in the face of a rising tide of violence over the last 18 months.

"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.

In one of the said warnings, Egypt's Intelligence Minister General Abbas Kamel personally called Netanyahu only 10 days before the massive attack that Gazans were likely to do "something unusual, a terrible operation," according to the Ynet news site.

Unnamed Egyptian officials told the site they were shocked by Netanyahu's indifference to the news and said the premier told the minister the military was "submerged" in troubles in the West Bank.

Nitter

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of "something big" | The Times of Israel

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

family member i know who believes that hitler didn't kill enough jews in the holocaust (it was the third thing they ever told me) is also an evangelical christian so he is now making a big show of how leftists hate jews but he doesn't and stands with israel hero-pain

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: We gave the residents of Gaza sufficient warnings and it is time for them to leave south

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: We will begin a major military operation in Gaza when we see that civilians have left the area

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: The failure of foreigners to leave Gaza yesterday was due to Hamas, which did not allow them to leave

Better not leave the area then.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

https://streamable.com/58y22i

Israeli president Isaac Herzog says there are no innocent civilians in gaza

Even huffpo went with that headline

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I were being accused of genocide and collective punishment I simply would not announce im cutting off the internet to all of Palestine

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Extreme lib mother told me none of this would have happened if trump wasn't "trading state secrets with iran" wut but she is horrified by what israel is doing in gaza so there's that at least

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just put this ad up on Israel's Craigslist, ready to do my part for the kids.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Photo caption

6 of 17

Palestinians flee from northern Gaza to the south after the Israeli army issued an unprecedented evacuation warning to a population of over 1 million people in northern Gaza and Gaza City to seek refuge in the south ahead of a possible Israeli ground invasion, Friday, Oct. 13, 2023.

Scenes of grief and desperation on war's 7th day | AP News

So far - the only American site I know covering Gaza that doesn't make me want to rend my garments and gouge out my eyes with a grapefruit spoon is AP News

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Hezbollah released footage of an ATGM attack on an IDF IFV "Zelda" (reddit country) type in northern Israel, a tit-for-tat response attack performed as a result of Israeli attacks on their observation points.

https://streamable.com/7h6i3g

Tharallah is a laser guided ATGM that fired two missiles consecutively, the first one disables the armor and activates any trophy system that may be present. and the second missile penetrates the vehicle.

This is a very recently adapted and quite advanced ATGM which Hezbollah first tested out this year, 2023.

It also has the capability of simultaneously firing 4 missiles. For when you really really really really want something dead I suppose.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’ve listened to the latest the-podcast twice now and have never heard them be so careful, caveating and couching their points. This is not a criticism. It’s clear why and who they are doing it for.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (10 children)

https://twitter.com/carmeldangor/status/1711311306957955316

After repeated demands from residents: about 1000 m16 weapons will be provided to citizens in Judea and Samaria. The weapons will be provided to military graduates who meet the criteria. The final number and distribution of weapons has not yet been determined.

Not sure how accurate the translation is. Can't tell if it means reserve getting called up or giving weapons to anyone who has military training.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Okay Iraq, afghanistan, and now palestine

libs will literally never learn, will they?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

smuglord you say ukraine opposes palestinian struggle, yet they sold weapons to them. Which way tankies? smuglord

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (5 children)

lol, I'm watching MR and not an hour after they covered Israel's atrocities and how the US is complicit in aiding them, Emma starts talking about how she's going to vote for Biden even though she lives in NYC - to set an example for people who live in swing states

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Egyptian Second Field Army has recalled all soldiers on leave, cancelled other leaves, and is undergoing a complete state of readiness.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

Isn't Saturday Shabbat? As in, the day you're not supposed to work or study? That's the day that Hamas was supposedly planning to attack schoolchildren on?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Palestinian health ministry, which is run by Hamas, says 1,900 Palestinians have been killed and 7,696 wounded in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza since this latest conflict began last weekend.

The ministry says the toll includes 370 women and 614 children.

Israel has always maintained it does not intentionally target civilians, and has released footage of what it says are anti-tank missiles being fired from the densely populated Gaza Strip.

40 beheaded babies is supposed to legitimise this

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

we only need 993784 comments until one million. come on people. post harder

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

Israel's "humane" and "surgical" strikes

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The US has received intelligence that Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas attack on Israel, casting doubt on rumors of Iranian involvement.

This was reported by the New York Times, citing officials.

According to intelligence reports, key Iranian officials were unaware of the impending attack.

The United States, Israel and key regional allies found no evidence that Iran directly helped plan the attack, according to U.S. officials and another Middle East official.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (3 children)

From Seymour Hersh: "NETANYAHU IS FINISHED"

Some choice excerpts:

The Sukkot celebration, held near a Palestinian village known in Hebrew as Haware, would need extraordinary protection, given the tension over the latest violence, and the local Israeli military authorities, with the approval of Netanyahu, ordered two of the three Army battalions, each with about 800 soldiers, that protected the border with Gaza to shift their focus to the Sukkot festival.

“That left only eight hundred soldiers,” the insider told me, “to be responsible for guarding the 51-kilometer border between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. That meant the Israeli citizens in the south were left without an Israeli military presence for ten to twelve hours. They were left to fend for themselves. And that is why Bibi is finished. May take a few months, but he is over.”

Nothing we don't know, Netanyahu done goofed by moving troops away from Gaza at the critical moment.

As for a ground attack, the insider told me that there is a brutal alternative under consideration that could be described as the Leningrad approach, referring to the famed German effort to starve out the city now known as St. Petersburg during World War II. The Nazi siege lasted nearly 900 days and the death toll was at least 800,000 and possibly many more. It is known that the Hamas leadership and much of its manpower “live underground,” and Israel’s goal is to destroy as much of that manpower “without attempting a traditional house-to-house attack.”

"The Leningrad Approach". strangelove

The insider added that some Israelis were “made anxious” by the initial statements from world leaders in Germany, France, and England who avowed, in one case through an aide, their total support for an immediate response but added that it should be guided by the rule of law. President Biden reinforced that point in an unscheduled appearance at a White House conference of Jewish leaders Wednesday by pointedly saying that he had recently told Netanyahu: “it is really important that Israel, with all the anger and frustration and just—I don’t know how to explain it—that exists is that they operate by the rules of war—the rules of war. And there are rules of war.”

Foolish international leaders, don't they know Israel runs purely on war crimes? It's like telling a shark to stop swimming, they need to swim to breathe.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (5 children)

American companies are whack. Any humanitarian aid going to Israel is grotesque.

I've learned that Comcast is committing $2 million to aid humanitarian efforts unfolding in Israel and the Middle East.

"We are horrified & deeply saddened by the brutal attack on Israel," Comcast CEO Brian Roberts & president Mike Cavanagh wrote to employees earlier this week.

Nitter

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