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Would this even work? Lol

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Now run your straw through a concentric larger straw and pump -30C glycol through the annulus. You can get your 96C tea down to 54C in seconds! Think of the efficiencies gained!!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course! That increases efficiency by 69%!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's more likely than you think

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Proctologists hate this one simple annulus trick

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

mmm... annulus

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  1. Use a metal straw to improve heat conduction.
  2. Increase the surface area and time for heat extraction to occur with extra loops in the water part (do they make metal silly straws?)
  3. Get really fancy and use a counterflow chiller: create a two layer straw, where tea goes through one layer while cold water goes through the other layer in the opposite direction (obviously with an outlet somewhere besides your teacup)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But the goal here isn't to maximize cooling, you still want the tea to be hot, just drinkably hot rather than dangerously.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You need to calibrate your coolant water temperature to provide the ideal amount of cooling for you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Time to design a radiator.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
  1. Use a metal straw to improve heat conduction.

While metal is a better conductor of heat, when looking at the effective rate of cooling you need to take the wall thickness into account. I think a plastic straw with it's micrometer thin walls is unbeatable.

Edit: I have trouble finding information on wall thickness of drinking straws, it one source says they are 130-250 μm thick. That is thicker than I expected.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: drink a cold drink through a plastic straw and a metal straw, with your fingers on the straw. See which one feels cooler.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Leave a block of wood and a brick of steel in a freezer for 24 hours and see which one feels cooler - they’ll be the same actual temperature (at least negligibly close the longer they’re left) but the metal will feel immensely cooler to the touch due to its higher capacity for heat transference.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Doesn't that just agree with what I'm saying? The metal is going to transfer heat more easily than the plastic

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

There are two compounding factors

  • heat capacity: any short term experiment will measure heat capacity first, conduction second

  • locality of contact: contact along the whole length of the straw eliminates heat conduction along the length of the straw. A single point of contact (holding the straw with fingers instead of the whole hand) behaves differently.

I thought plastic straws were thinner than 0.2 mm, so maybe the metal is actually better.

It's fun arguing about these technicalities though!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

This man HVACs

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Very low surface area heat exchanger you've got there! Gotta do several more loops under the water to get efficient heat transfer.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hear me out, what if we added racing stripes to the straw?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

its also very low volume so i think it will be fine for the job

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Well that's why they invented crazy straws after all!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

I love plastic straw in hot tea!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Y'all trying to come up with ways to cool it while I'm using my 5 temperature setting electric kettle to get the water hot enough to steep tea, but not boil.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

But can you play snake on your kettle

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I bought a kettle with a temperature selector. I have one degree of precision. Which is often overkill. It's surprisingly useful to be able to heat water at non scalding temps. Especially for cleaning tasks, actually.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That sounds luxurious. Do you love it?

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[–] db0 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Motherfucker never heard of ice cubes

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ice cubes can water down your drink. Use a large, frozen, steel ball bearing so you can instead get some nice heavy metal poisoning to accompany it.

(Don't actually do this)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You should use lead instead of steel. The higher density makes the effect longer lasting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

It also makes it sweeter!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There are alloys of stainless steel (I forget the numbers off the top of my head, it’s been more than a few years since I worked in that field) that are perfectly fine and compatible for food/grade hot-process work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have these things called cold rocks for my scotch - they’re some kind of stone or earthenware dice-sized cubes that you leave in the freezer. Bought them at an alcohol warehouse shop we have here in Australia called Dan Murphys. They’re great for cooling without diluting.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

304 and 316 are considered food safe. 316 is what most industrial food processing machines use. 304 is somewhat easier to machine, and cheaper, so lots of components are also made from that but it has less corrosion resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I use wine balls when I want iced coffee lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Swine balls work in a pinch.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just get one of those handy cupholders that come free with lots of electronics:

They also work for quick thawing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Hmmm microplastics soup

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Wouldn’t the plastic straw melt in the hot tea? Maybe need metal or silicone straw adapter hooked onto plastic straw in heat exchanger 🤔

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don't think most plastic straws would melt, but they would probably soften and might infuse more chemicals into your beverage than it would if it were cold. At this point I'd just go for the obvious solution of repurposing an old heat exchanger from an AC unit or something. The strange taste will go away after a few times (probably).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally I would use my knowledge in aerodynamics by blowing on the tea before sipping

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

you trying to make the tea fly?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Tasty coolant flavoured tea

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

MacGyver gets bored when he doesn't have something important to do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would cool it down, but how much would be the question.

Fridges cool your water in them using the same principal, a loop of tubing is in the fridge which cools the water as it passes through.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would entirely depend on how fast you suck.

Even moderately cool water would work if you just drank slow enough, and ice water wouldn't work if you drank too fast.

I'm sure some engineer could do the math on how cold the water would have to be to cool boiling water at maximum vacuum.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Just mix them together.

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