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The Second Best v60 (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

There are a lot of v60 options out there and a lot of opinions that can boil down to some pretty nuanced preferences. In my book the very best v60 will always be the v60 03 Switch. It’s an absolute workhorse brewer that can give you a standard delicious v60 pour over or the next morning a totally different perspective on the same beans with an immersion brew. The real fun of specialty coffee brewing is experimentation though, and that’s where the Switch shines as hybrid brewing options with the Switch are matched perhaps only by the plethora of tweaks you can make with the Aeropress. If you were to only have one pour over brewer – this would be my recommendation. But… I can’t in good conscience recommend having only one pour over brewer.
It’s too often discounted as a novelty, but the Suiren (water lily) v60 is more than a display piece. I don’t think we should overlook the appearance though.

Looks: The most popular and lauded v60 is the simple plastic version, but I’m going to go ahead and say that IMO, it’s kinda ugly. Having that thing out on your countertop might signal to specialty coffee geeks that you are serious about coffee, but to most it just looks like a cheap plastic piece of junk. The Suiren is visually enticing, it’s eye-catching, customizable (you can replace the tabs with different colors – but I’m partial to the stock black and white), and just plain sparks joy. I love boring guests by going on about specialty coffee in the hopes I might find an occasional convert. People are much more likely to ask questions about your Suiren than any other v60 on your shelf.

Taste: I’m probably not winning many people over here talking about looks though. The Suiren has a bit of a reputation of sacrificing taste for appearance and that’s what I want to address here. I disagree with this notion outright. One of the biggest criticisms I’ve heard is that the open architecture allows excessive heat dispersion and that this cooler brewing temp results in a more “mellow” cup. I don’t want mellow. I want flavor in my coffee, and lots of it. Personally, I haven’t noticed a difference in the taste between this, a plastic v60, or my glass v60. Heat retention in brewers is complicated as material around your wet filter can both insulate and conduct heat away. I wanted to see some hard data on what the Suiren was doing from a temperature perspective.

Here’s my experimental design:

  1. Pour 150ml of 210F water as a preheat into each brewer (Cafec Abaca filter) and measure cup temp.
  2. Empty cup and pour a second 150ml 210F flush through brewer. Measure cup temp.
  3. Brew 300ml (20g) pulsed (Tetsu 4:6 recipe) med fine grind immediately after above prep. Measure coffee temp in cup.

Results: Glass v60: Cold Wash – 166F , Hot Wash – 183F, Coffee – 164F

Suiren: Cold Wash – 173F, Hot Wash – 184F, Coffee – 163F

This confirmed my suspicion – despite the Suiren having an open design, at least compared to a preheated glass v60, it’s not losing any more heat. In fact, if you didn’t do an adequate pre-rinse, the Suiren appears to be more forgiving in that sense. I’m guessing an enclosed plastic v60 would produce higher numbers across the board, but I hope this at least convinces you that the Suiren should not be singled out as a massive heat dissipater due to its open appearance.
The other criticism of the Suiren is that it’s a “maximum bypass brewer” v60s in general are higher bypass, but I’m skeptical about this claim as well. Open doesn’t necessarily mean it’s leaking a lot more fluid around the bed. The channels on a traditional closed v60 allow for capillary action and can actually pull fluid away from the paper. Suiren has less surface contact and may actually not have as much bypass. I unfortunately do not have a refractometer, but others have reported refractometer readings for the Suiren, and they are not significantly different. I do not buy the high bypass argument, and I’d like to think I’d be able to taste the difference if there was a bypass differential and I just do not.

Cost: It comes in at twice the cost of a plastic v60, but right on par with metal, ceramic, and glass versions. It’s not a premium.

Cleanup: It’s the easiest v60 to clean. There’s very little coffee-soaked surface area. If there was a brewer you could get away with not even washing/rinsing – this would be it. I give it a quick hot rinse; there’s been no discoloration of my white fins, and zero issue with flavor retention. You can toss the whole thing in the dishwasher fully assembled or break it down into components if you prefer for the most thorough cleaning.

Travel: Easily the most portable v60. Quickly disassembles into fins and base. They are durable and you can break it down into a nearly 2-dimensional form that can fit just about anywhere. You could probably carry this thing in your pocket if you wanted. Also, it’s super lightweight. Easy win in this category.

Toxicity: Ugh. This section is a flamebait setup, but I want to preempt these types of comments with my take. It’s a very popular movement right now to avoid any contact with plastics in the brewing process. There is growing and difficult to deny data that microplastics are toxic/neurotoxic. I have not seen any convincing data to imply that high quality food safe plastics are contributing to this though. Regardless, the contact area on this is pretty minimal – that’s the whole point, it suspends the filter with as little material as possible.

In Sum: It's an awesome brewer and a beautiful piece of gear. If you already have a v60, should you add this to your collection? That’s a tough call – use the info above to inform your decision. Trying to decide which v60 to get? I’d still start with the Switch, but if you find yourself brewing a lot of cups that you want to keep fast and simple and you are not always using hybrid methods, the quick, lightweight, easy cleanup justifies this as a second v60 worth having.

Tried the Suiren? What are your thoughts?

TLDR; The Hario Suiren is more than a piece of kitsch. It’s a legitimate brewer with some real advantages. It brews an excellent cup on par with other v60 brewers and deserves more attention.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, biblically accurate coffee.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The best V60 is not a V60 but the Konos MDK-41.

Concerns about plastic are overblown for the most part. Especially with the newer heat resistant version. Glass and ceramic are too breaky breaky plus they are heat unstable and waste water to preheat. Metal just sucks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with this one. What do you like about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like the really short ribs/ridges compared to the long spiral ones on the V60. It seems to prevent some of the excessive bypass that happens with the V60. Also the plastic they use claims heat resistance to 109C which is far below what I brew at. It uses the same filter papers as the V60. I believe that Lance sometimes uses it.

https://en.entreboxhk.com/shop/kono-dripper-mdk21-41/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neat. Interesting it looks like company is "kono" but dripper says "konos" on it. Assume the 41 can fit a Hario 03 size filter then? Any opinion on if the 41 can brew a single cup as well as the smaller size version?

While the v60 has a decent amount of bypass, I'm not sure it's excessive. It's a popular criticism of it, but it brews a better cup in my own hands at least than some lower bypass brewers (I've thrown in the towel trying to get an ideal cup with the mugen for example).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

The MDK-41 us the 4 cup version which is pretty much the same size as the V60 02. While you could put an 03 filter in it, there would a fair amount of paper above the top edge.

I use a home made version of the Melodrip to reduce agitation and get really fast draw down times even with relatively fine grounds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you are into tinkering with your pour over its hard to look over the options a Switch (and similar) provides as it can do both immersion and percolation and switch between both multiple times during the same brew, offering insane flexibility.

It can also reduce the skill/effort level for simpler brews because it can provide control over flow rate through the bed so you don't need to be super skilled with your kettle. I think one of the most powerful things I have seen suggested for it, is to lock it out, add your bloom water then add in the grounds. This massively reduces the churn that a poor kettle or clumsy barista has during that crucial phase.

Obviously more options can lead to more complexity, some of the recipes I have seen are frankly ridiculous for the average brewer to follow every day. This is where an attractive brewer like the Suiren comes in, if it look great and you want to use it because its attractive, then that's the better brewer for you rather than struggling with some over the top recipe that wasn't optimized for the beans you actually using.

I prefer using my Yasukiyo or my Tsubame over my Switch or Flo or Orea for this reason, despite them not being the best dripper that I own.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Agree, the look of it does make we want to use it more! I'm definitely guilty of using, creating, and propagating, some somewhat complex switch recipes. For me the thing that makes these accessible is using a timer app that is programmed specifically for a given recipe that just walks me through the steps and timing without the need to plan or think ahead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nice review!

Cool design and concept. The portability is awesome. But, for me, the crux of this brewer is plastic. If they had a metal version, I'd be all over that. Thanks to you, OP, I'll be keeping an eye out for a metal version of the SUIREN!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I said my bit about the plastic, so not going to try any harder to change minds.
I think a metal version might end up closer to a weapon. I bet you could find a glass blower to do a custom glass version which would be pretty neat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't even think about the toxicity part, since I thought you did an excellent job addressing it. I don't like plastic because it's harder to clean without scratching and is more easily brittle over time. Glad would, for sure, be amazing, though less "travel safe".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not to harp but just to address those concerns. I've had mine for about a year now. Just double checked-No scratches. You can get away with just a rinse at least 9/10 times, probably more. It doesn't spot much at all, I throw it in the dishwasher just every once in awhile out of obsession not because it's stained or producing off-taste. Dishwasher is a pretty harsh environment and it still looks like new. The fins are replaceable for a few bucks too if you ever did get a scratch. I can understand wanting to wait for a different version, but I don't have a sense this is very popular and I'd be surprised if Hario released it in a different material any time soon. Consider treating yourself to one for a birthday or something. In case anyone is wondering, the fins are PCT resin and base is bpa free polypropylene.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

No, please harp! This is really good information!