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I’ve spent the last few years devouring Soviet history. Books, papers, blog posts, podcasts, all of it. I can’t get enough. Not to brag, but I do feel as though I’ve achieved a certain level of understanding about the USSR, its history, and eventual collapse. But I’ve also put the work in.

And yet, whenever I engage people I know IRL or online, I’m amazed by how doggedly people will defend what they just inherently “know”: that the Soviet Union was an evil totalitarian authority dictatorship that killed 100 million of its own people and eventually collapsed because communism never works. None of these people (at least the people I know IRL) have learned anything about Soviet history beyond maybe a couple days of lectures and a textbook chapter in high school history classes. Like, I get that this is the narrative that nearly every American holds in their heads. The fact that people believe this isn’t surprising. But what is a little surprising to me is that, when confronted with a challenge to that narrative from someone they know has always loved history and has bothered to learn more, they dig their heels in and insist they are right and I am wrong.

This isn’t about me, I’m just sharing my experience with this. I’m just amazed at how Americans will be completely ignorant about a topic (not just the USSR) but will be utterly convinced their views on that topic are correct, despite their own lack of investigation into that topic. This is the same country where tens of millions of people think dinosaurs and humans walked around together and will not listen to what any “scientist” has to say about it, after all.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

(cw: a reference to animal cruelty)

The kitten-burners seem to fulfill some urgent need. They give us someone we can clearly and correctly say we’re better than. Their extravagant cruelty makes us feel better about ourselves because we know that we would never do what they have done. They thus function as signposts of depravity, reassuring the rest of us that we’re Not As Bad As them, and thus letting us tell ourselves that this is the same thing as us being good.

from https://redsails.org/false-witnesses/

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, are you saying that blindly agreeing with every report from my preferred cable news show isn't research? Rude.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

Dinosaurs lived besides humans and they died because dinosaurism dosen't work it fails every time it's tried dead-dove-1

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess my sort of question is, what sort of pressures could possibly be acting on them to make an 'accurate' depiction of Soviet history important enough to develop. If there's no material benefit to an individual to have such a model of the world, it's not a surprise that no one does, and there is no sense in trying to develop it in them either.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I made a post about a while ago (no replies), but I'm curious if you have any recommended sources on the implementation and impact of the Kosyign-era economic reforms.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Would love that myself but that area seems kinda barren in terms of historical research. There’s some political economy book Lewin wrote that might cover it but I don’t know much about that one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want to pick yer brain if you've done a lot of reading yourself

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