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LoglineLa’An travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter humanity’s future history—and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy.


Written by David Reed

Directed by Amanda Row

Note: This is a second attempt, as technical difficulties were preventing people from seeing the original discussion post. Apologies to the people who were able to comment in the original.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I gotta say, it wasn't my favorite. The save baby hitler plot fell flat for me. Kirks death scene was both predictable and rushed. I usually like time travel episodes AND I was looking forward to a La'an-heavy episode, so I'm a bit disappointed.

Also really starting to miss Pike? Kinda weird.

Carol Kane's Pelia continues to make me smile, she is a delight. Possibly the first reference to poutine in star trek? Also a Denobulan sighting! Yay!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not bad for a time travel episode. I feel like these have a better shot at working with the episodic format. I was relieved when the car chase scene turned out to be more of a reasonable speed thread the needle through cramped city center streets rather than some over the top Bay schlock; I was sure it was going to be schlock when he chose the flashy red sports car.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Out of all the time travel episodes Star Trek has ever done, in how many of them have they gone back in time to when the episode first aired.

I can remember two where they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This was a classic Star Trek episode.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So does this retcon how Khan comes to power in the 1990s and pushes the eugenics war further in the timeline? I have seen some people say this was done to keep the timeline consistent with ours.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yes. Time heals.

Key events are preserved but the details may change and slip a bit. The details can include slippage in the dates.

The 90s date was implicitly overwritten by TNG’s premiere where Roddenberry himself decided to shift WW3 to the mid 21st century.

People had head canoned the link between the Eugenics wars and WW3 out of existence, while also ignoring that TOS implied Warp was discovered in the late 20th century.

Accepting that temporal incursions alter the Prime Timeline just makes sense of events like Voyager Endgame.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

A little late to the game but I really loved this episode.

Only thing that didn’t quite make sense to me was the romantic connection between La’an and Kirk. It felt forced - and I feel like the episode would’ve been just as strong without it. Just them bonding as friends, who are going through this deeply traumatic time travel experience together - would’ve been more than enough.

I can appreciate that La’an would be more vulnerable as a result Kirk not knowing her family name, but she oggled him in the changing room before that was revealed. Seemed out of character.

Otherwise, I’m really curious to see what kind of timeline implication all of this will have - and if the watch will make way back in the series somehow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Hold up.

The ~~Klingons~~ Romulans go back in time to ~~save~~ ~~JFK~~ kill Khan? And ~~Spock~~ La'an has to ~~kill~~ save him?

Wasn't this the original plot of Star Trek II?

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