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I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Apropos of nothing, where are you finding domains for $10/year?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Check tld-list.com for price comparisons of different domain providers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I mean inflation might have hit them a little bit but dot coms have always been around $10 in my mind. Other TLDs can vary but you can get good deals through promotions sometimes.

Were only talking about the address here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I was able to get a .win domain for $4.16 yearly on cloudflare. Cloudflare seems to have some pretty cheap domains.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

IMO it sounds like that some AI corporation should host their own instance(s). They only pay for server and maintenance costs, while community does the rest and they have their data.

Would be best of both worlds, isn't it? Once they become greedy, we are f*cked again, just like Reddit did...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Unlike Reddit there will be many lemmy servers that exist, and I assume most will be supported by donations. A lot of servers have an Open Collective or Patreon option if you want to support them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

You bring up a very good point. Currently lemmy.ml has thousands of users. Lemmy.world has thousands of users. The hardware they have selected to run their instances is adequate for now, but, what is the plan for scaling out if the user base grows? Is there one? They have a donation page on each lemmy instance (click or tap the heart icon,) but that can’t be enough to pay for the cost of running something used by millions of people, even if only 100s of thousands are ever only online at any given time.

In terms of UI/UX, @[email protected] has mentioned in a post they are currently working on major performance improvements and enhancements.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I would like to join a cooperatively owned instance.

I have been tempted to join cosocial.ca, however I don't care for microblogging (Mastodon) as much as something forum-like such as a Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I just signed up for the Lemmy.ml patreon. I wish they had a $5 per month option, but I can just not skip ordering doordash one extra time and help pay for this instance. I use the hell out of it so it's the least I can do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

We ask u/spez for the money ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Really nice merch, with small logos on. Think how the LTT stealth stuff is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally I plan on donating the price of Reddit Premium to my instance owner

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Whenever he figures out donations that is :))

I don't know what kinda person happens to have a massive server cluster sitting around waiting to go, but @TheDude is the dude, and the dude abides.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Donate to the devs!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think the price is spread out across multiple generous people that generously host instances. I think it really depends on how much members there are. From what I heard my instance is 25 $ a month. Another instance I was in on Mastodon cost a few hundreds bucks to run. This is why it is good to help out your fellow admins. On the other hand, lemmy and other fediverse software are open source, so they don't really have to pay for developpers. Also the scope of what lemmy or Mastodon do is considerably smaller that Facebook, Twitter and the likes. Facebook isn't just a social media, it's a spying engine and an ad recommendation platform, Lemmy and mastodon are just social medias, so of course it costs less to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

As paradoxical as it is, I think that these open source non-profit projects are a lot more efficient than profit-driven, debt-fueled corporations.

First of all, the main contributors to a FOSS project do it for passion and do not take a salary.

Secondly, they don't have the infinite growth mindset that pushes enterpreneurs to to spend as much as possible for maximum growth, all financed by a growing amount of investors (and debt, which costs interest fees).

If a FOSS project reaches maximum capacity, they will close subscriptions, they will throttle traffic, i.e. they will slow down growth, but they will not go into debt. Slowing down growth is something that a for-profit company would never do (at least until the interest rates were low and the investors were plenty, today idk). Eventually someone else in the community will decide to do a generous donation or open their own instance.

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