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I wanted to get a pulse check on how new members are finding the general experience/website. Is it more confusing than Reddit or are you finding the instance system a better way of doing things as it can give you more freedom of where you choose to create an account?

I'm a new user myself but have found the experience to remind me of Reddit back in the day, lol. It's definitely giving me old-school yet modern vibes and it's great to see something that isn't Reddit growing in popularity!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People are much friendlier here, so far.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It feels like my experience on Mastodon after Twitter imploded. Hopefully it lasts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve enjoyed it a lot. There are some stuff that could fit better on screen, like when you look at the communities you’re subscribed to. Also, it would be nice to show your subscribed communities in alphabetical order.

Otherwise, I really enjoy the layout. It’s so simple

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

not great. reaching my feed or finding communities requires multiple clicks, like why is the local community selection the default in the community tab, it's just stupid. collapsing comments requires more mouse movement and clicking in a different location every comment because of name length, very dumb. communities are too small and not reliable news aggregators yet, not sure why we couldnt just have subreddits move their culture over and agree of a server, or at least set up bots with RSS feeds from news sites or popular stuff in the mean time. lacks customizability for visuals and usage in general. i'd like to have it autocollapse or autohide posts i've already seen, but now i just see the same threads from 2 days ago. user and community pictures in every post on my frontpage are visually noisy. and more and more issues. the devs definitely need help with creating a reasonable browing experience.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I have a terrible experience on mobile. I'm literally only on desktop because I was ready to delete my account. It's extremely unintuitive, Lemur doesn't work for lemmy.world and the other app is confusing to use. :/

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Like Mastodon, I'm getting used to the decentralized nature. Now that I found subscriptions and the option to change my view to subscriptions, things are easier. I'm just worried that topics are going to get big on disparate instances that aren't linked. But as I use it, I'm liking it.

For now it is nice to be outside corporate sanitation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m enjoying the concept behind the fediverse, and while communities are small right now, they’re eventually gonna get bigger and be more centralized.

I think the UI/UX does need a little more work, but that’ll come with time.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let’s not kid ourselves UI/UX needs a lot of work not just a little, but it’s making progress and all done by volunteers and that’s impressive on it’s own.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am enjoying it so far. I usually tend to lurk but the community is, as many have said, very welcoming and it creates an atmosphere where it encourages you to contribute (not just with up/downvotes but also comments).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

True! Also I'm putting more effort in commenting and participating to try and make lemmy gain traction. When I'll be satisfied with the amount of content I'll go back to lurking lol

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't really know whats going on the whole instance thing confuses me. Whats it's pros? Why use it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Basically 4 things:

  • Pick your own admin. I'm sure the kbin admin is awesome (can't be worse than spez, lol) but it's nice to have the option

  • Have more control over what your server federates with. Hate interacting with people from a specific server? Move to one that blocks it. Want to interact with people from a blocked instance? Move to one that doesn't block them. Basically more options.

  • Don't like the rules on your server? Go to one where you like the rules better.

  • Your server is down? That's fine, go to a different one temporarily. You're gonna feel this hard on Monday. Kbin's gonna get crushed by the Reddit hug of death. You might wanna join up to a small Lemmy instance that the horde won't notice if that happens and you still wanna be on.

If you like kbin's admin, federation settings and rules? Then cool! You're missing absolutely nothing from being there (except when it's down). It's nice to have options though.

Secret number 5:

If you know how to host a server, you can host your own Lemmy instance and have all the powa!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Barbarian So I have a few questions, being new to all this:

  1. Seemingly I am responding to you when you're on a different instance. I'm on kbin and you're on... sh.itjust.works? Am I understanding this right?

  2. My kbin account is restricted to just kbin, correct? I cannot use my kbin credentials to log on to another instance like sh.itjust.works.

  3. How do I make an original comment (this is a bit dumb lol). I see the option to reply to others but no "comment" button for me to comment on my own.

  4. On kbin specifically... what is a microblog?

  5. (Last one promise), what is up with the @stuff. I see this post link is kbin.social/m/[email protected]... I figured the /m is like reddit's /r, but what is the [email protected] meaning that this is the magazine/community from lemmy.mt when shown on the kbin /m/ instance version? Not sure if this question makes any sense lol I'm just trying to understand how this all works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Your username in the fediverse is not honorfaz, but @[email protected], just as an email. It's the same for communities (or sublemmy, or whatever we decide to call it). It's not c/something, but c/[email protected]. This is why everyone still has a unique handle, but no unique admin.

I'm on my own instance for example, running in my living room, and yet here we are, talking. Internet as it was intented.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I like the idea, but to be honest it feels unpleasant to use. Multiple different communities with the same topic are hosted on different servers, so I have to subscribe on them all if I want to keep track on what is happening. Would be nice to have some "mega community" that would have them all there. Also web client is broken, it feels so bad when my feed is moved down when new fresh post is added on top, this is borderline annoying and unusable> chf

upd: have tried kbin, it seems there they fixed all the annoying parts of lemmy. Great usage experience!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I miss more intuitive comment collapsing, I used it a lot to skip conversations faster than scrolling through them.

The whole federation thing is not intuitive for new folks. Although watching the lemmy.ml bubble is pretty funny.

I'm interested in reading more about Lenny's privacy and internal workings, ~~but this information is pretty hard to find.~~

Docs for anyone interested

I'm concerned about a reliable deletion mechanism Lemmy doesn't care about your privacy

Reddit thread of the same story

I'm also concerned by some posts which I hope are not true:

Lemmy's creator banned from r/socialism for posting neo nazi literature

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm waiting for apps to pick up the slack. Using Jerboa right now but holding out hope for a Sync switchover 🤞

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm confused but have been figuring things out.

Mostly it seems that many of my Reddit subs are reconvening on different Lemmy servers (.ml, .world, .can) and I can't yet figure out how to combine them or view them under one account?

I'll keep trying.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It’s promising, but I miss having Apollo (or similar) as my interface for the service. I very rarely used Reddit via a browser so not having that robust app is a loss. We’ll see if any of the app developers that have been impacted by Reddits API changes look to support the platform.

Started using Mastodon this year and it was conveniently at the time Ivory, Ice Cubes and Mona were all in the process of shipping beta or final releases. It made the whole experience much more seamless. Mastodon benefited from 6 months of prior unrest in the Twitter community and Devs were already transitioning when Twitter pulled the rug out under them. I think Lemmy will be a harder transition in that respect.

Keen to see how it develops but.

Edit: also interested to see how the decentralised nature of it all plays out for this sort of service which focuses on communities. For Mastodon it seems fine to follow people on other services where it’s still a 1:1 interaction (I with one account follow someone with presumably one account). I’m sort of curious to see how things will scale and play out when you have a dozen different Lemmy services all with their own “Apple”, “music”, “tech” communities and if that dilutes the conversation or allows it to be broader. Bit concerned things may get spread a bit thin at the conversation level, even accounting for the fact accounts can cross post.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

So far, I find it's pretty good. I couldn't find a client for Emacs so I may create one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

It’s like eating something extremely good, best way to put it. It’s amazing, everything reddit did wrong doesn’t exist here. It’s like a utopia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's pretty cool so far. Takes some getting used to, little buggy here and there, but nothing intolerable. People are more respectful on here. On reddit and most all other platforms, I just lurked for the most part to avoid getting "aKsHuAlLy'D" by some angry poster. It's chill here and it's got potential ^-^

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Literally just got here, but I'm finding it easier to get started than Mastodon, since communities are easy to find.

However I'm wondering if there is a bunch of communities I have yet to discover, and no idea how to discover them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I find the new layout to be confusing, no doubt I'll get used to it, but the hardest part was creating an account. I had no idea what "server" to make my account on, had no idea i had to choose one, thought it was exclusive and couldn't interact with other ones, etc.

Also, the only Lemmy app I saw on Google play was Jerboa for Lemmy. I got that, and I can't really make an account on the app so I had to go to the website. I eventually decided on lemmy.world or something. Overall, the app feels a bit unpolished and the Reddit app seems more welcoming, even though most of the subs are dark now.

One thing I do enjoy is the formating at the bottom. I do like that. And I have high hopes for my future using Lemmy as an alternative to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

here's a cohertly sound Answer.

  1. What happens to the communities/comments/accounts if a Lemmy instance goes down? Do they just disappear?
    When a specific Lemmy instance goes down, local users won't access their accounts, communities, or comments until it's restored. The data seems to "disappear" but it's not lost if the instance comes back online. Content copies exist in other federated instances but the original data is tied to the creating instance. BTW, you can backup your toots, comments and anything else on your account on your current instance and start again

  2. Can people on other instances use your username? Could others tell which is which in comments/posts?
    Yes, usernames are instance-specific, so the same username can be used across different instances. However, usernames include the instance, making identification clear. For instance, 'username@instance1' and 'username@instance2' indicate different users.

  3. How can people afford to host an instance? Aren't there costs to hosting a server?
    Indeed, hosting an instance involves costs for server, bandwidth, and potentially maintenance. Individuals hosting instances usually cover these costs themselves or use donations or sponsorships.

  4. Is there anything stopping corporate interests from hosting a Lemmy? I fear that these corporate instances will be the only ones that can handle large traffic and we're just back to Reddit.
    Theoretically, a corporation can host a Lemmy instance. But federated platforms like Lemmy ensure that no single instance controls the entire network. Even with a popular corporate instance, users can choose other instances or create their own, allowing diverse moderation policies and community norms.

  5. Can an instance go from fully federated to partially without telling its users? How would they know?
    An instance changing its federation policy can impact the available content and the reach of users' posts. Although there's no built-in notification system for such changes, a responsible administrator should inform the community, potentially using the instance rules listed in the sidebar or other official communication channels. Users may notice a change if they stop seeing content from certain instances, or if their posts aren't visible on instances they used to federate with. Such a shift in federation policy could also alter the dynamics of moderation and community interaction on the instance. you can see what instances is blocked on /instances. and /modlog shows all moderations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not bad, but there are a couple of issues that concern me. One is that communities are fractured - that is, that communities about the same topics exist on different instances and don't connect with each other.

So I'm subscribed to a Books community on one instance, but that doesn't mean I'll see any of the posts on the same topic on other instances unless I subscribe to each of them. The total community of users on Lemmy who are interested in books are split up into small groups on different instances.

That's very limiting.

Of course there's also the issue of the relatively small user base overall. For some purposes a small community may be preferable, but for many others you really need a large user base. Looking for gamers for a face to face tabletop RPG, for example. Without a large user base, the odds of finding people within a reasonable real world distance of you is virtually nil.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m new and could be wildly wrong, but it seems like an improved UI could consolidate multiple communities into one “this is my feed” so you can participate in all of them. If one dies, you don’t lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, if a community is a "magazine" on here it'd be really nice to collate a number of magazines I'm interested in into a "rack" similar to a multireddit.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

@StrictMachine Dunno if it would even be possible, but it would be cool to be able to somehow be able to categorize each instance/magazine with a limited amount of tags - like each book- or literature-related instance could have a "Book" or "Literature" tag that would basically add it to a view of every single instance with the tag in it, so users could look up tags versus looking up specific instances.

@hllywluis @BobQuasit @MentallyExhausted

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I've been here for a while and i still don't like it for a number of reasons, many which have already been mentioned here. The UI/UX isn't as nice as old reddit and there a lot of complexities due to the fediverse that are just not easy to overcome. Why i think reddit will ultimately win out in this because most users will go back to it after a few weeks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agree. Reddit ultimately has familiarity and simplicity going for it. I have been part of Lemmy and the "fediverse" for a few months now but I still have no idea wtf it actually is and I feel like I'm still not a part of any one community.

I do have high hopes for Tildes though, seems to be somewhat of a middle ground

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like that it’s still so small. None of this karma farming just diluting from high quality content and conversations

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm kinda hoping someone will point out this feature already exists, but I wish there was a way to subscribe to a topic. Right now it feels like multiple instances are forming their own, say, gaming community, and it feels like this is splintering the community rather than growing it?

Other than that, I actually really like the decentralised nature -- and, while this is likely due to the very early nature of things, man is it nicer here. Weirdly feels like early Slashdot days...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this is my only real issue. It would be amazing to have an app that would allow you to create a gaming "folder" of sorts that you could drop all the gaming communities into under one heading.

Since you can already post to different instances, having a way to better organize them would solve for the fragmentation pretty well. Then even with multiple gaming communities, they all still show as #Gaming or whatever on the user end.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So basically multi ~~reddits~~ lemmies?

Edit: does strikethrough not work? Do edits work well?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Very confused.. I have a direct link to a Linux community and can't figure out how to open it, or join it, or whatever I'm supposed to do with it in Jerboa. Discovery seems severely limited.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Jerboa search only finds communities that at least 1 person on your instance subscribed to, to find new communities from other instances easily I like to use https://browse.feddit.de/

Then when you find a community, go to the web version of your instance (don't worry it's (mostly) mobile friendly) and type [email protected] (don't forget the !) Then you can subscribe there. Close and reopen Jerboa and your new community will show up in the list. The Jerboa devs are working on fixing this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you.

New thing I don't like: I could not reply to you from my inbox. I had to go back to this thread, start from the top, find my own comment again, and then respond to you. The button in my inbox that looked like a reply button just marked the message as read instead.

Also I just found the search, the icon looks nothing like a search icon.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Look 2 buttons to the right of the impostor button, the box with dots in it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, I see it now. My brain must have seen the one chat bubble and ignored all others. Surely that would make more sense to be a bell icon or something.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Or an eye or something, yeah. I had the same problem until I got used to it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

There needs to be a place that brings all of these features together in one place. Otherwise the people who are used to being spoonfed functionality (which now makes up the majority of reddit users) will not switch over; or they’ll switch and bounce off.

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