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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Congratulations, you made it into /all.

Adding my opinion as someone who is eating meat: I only buy organic meat (and eggs, milk, ...) from my region. It's obviously much more expensive than mass produced meat, but I simply buy less and add more vegetables to counteract that.

Now comes the important part: By doing this, I support farmers who enable their animals to have a good life (and I know these animals have a good life because I know the farms and the farmers). If noone bought organic products these animals wouldn't have been able to live a happier life but would instead be stuck in a mass production or not get the chance of experiencing life at all.

Looking forward to your thoughts on this :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for your mindfulness and letting the animals you eat have the nicest possible life 🤗 I'm a vegan, but when I really get the cravings for protein (plants simply don't have any) I go on the internet and find cats looking to be rehomed, then after pampering them for a few weeks, I butcher and eat them. It's a lot more ethical than supermarket meat, the cats always seem so happy and content knowing they give their lives for my continued survival! Of course I make sure to ethically and painlessly kill them by beating their skull in with a baseball bat, in case you were concerned. They have only one very bad day in their entire life, ha ha!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly you missed a very important point in your argumentation: Cats are being kept as pets. They usually have a good life for simply being cute and easy to handle.

Keeping them to eat them is a downgrade (nothing changes except that they live shorter - assuming you butcher them in a normal way, not with a baseball bat which might cause a slower and painful death). When doing nothing, that downgrade doesn't exist, so on average the life of cats will become better.

Pigs for example either are being kept in mass-production factories (really the most fitting word for those, animals there only exist for their materials) or they are being kept in a more ethical way where they can go outside whenever they want, get better food, can run around, are much healthier, ... .

This is an upgrade (they live longer, healthier and happier). When doing nothing, that upgrade doesn't exist (as commonly), so on average the life of pigs will become worse.

As customers we have the power to show the mass production industry that we don't agree with their actions - you also do that by not buying any meat / milk / eggs / ... . But while this decreases the amount of miserable lifes it does not offer an alternative - animals either get born under those conditions or not at all. Meanwhile when supporting farmers who care about their animals, you offer an alternative - farm animals finally get to live a happy life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hold on, let me get my B12 deficient brain around this with a basic hypothetical example...

100 cows are killed each year at an evil factory farm for 10 people. One person suddenly develops a conscience and decides to change their lifestyle by not eating their cow products, switching to a purely iceberg lettuce based diet, reducing demand by 10% outright and causing 10 fewer cows to be bred for the evil factory farm.

But actually this is WORSE than someone developing only a bit of a conscience and deciding that instead of giving the evil factory farm money for 10 dead cows a year, they'll give their farmer best friend who they know personally and trust and who gives the cows pedicures and lets them drift away quietly in their sleep money for 10 dead cows a year? And this is better and more moral because in this world it is a universal constant that a set amount of cows must be killed each year, and by abstaining from meat entirely you are giving the evil factory farm a greater proportion of the cosmically allocated dead cow quota?

Because if so, this is great news for my ethical cat steak business.