There's a difference between "actively killing" and "actively developing" third party apps.
You look to the future, not the past or present
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2023
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It bears a certain irony, that's true. The difference is that the mobile version of Lemmy already feels like a clean third party app. As a long time RiF user I felt at home right away.
It's about locking down the API so that they can harvest user personal data with their own app. It's about the open hate from spez, hoffman, admins toward the community.
Fine, it just means things go back to the pre-mobile days when you did everything on your PC.
We left reddit because it killed 3rd party apps that it needs to be functional.
I came here because the experience is already better without 3PA.
Also, this is my inaugural comment on kbin. Hello world!
There are no 3rd party apps yet. But nothing is stopping one from being made. I'm happy to use a web browser to use Kbin until a more rounded App comes along.
We didn't leave because we wouldn't have them any longer, we left because we saw it as unfair how third-party developers have been treated and how the content from users was exploited.
Either way, many people are already working on Kbin and Lemmy apps, some of which already exist.
The reasons we used third-party apps were to avoid ads, bots, big brother. I'm personally looking forward to the fediverse making an app though.
It is ironic, but the great thing about Kbin is that since it's not subject to Reddit's bullshit API policies, we could see some great third party apps for it in the near future. Meanwhile the way things are going on Reddit, people probably aren't going to have a choice but to use the official app come July 1st.
Kbin's got potential. Reddit... not so much.
there is no way to kill off 3rd party apps, because the whole API is public - what's your point ?
I left Reddit because they killed 3rd party apps. I came somewhere 3rd party apps can’t be killed. Also, there’s several 3rd party apps.
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I don't think most people left solely because of 3rd party apps being killed. I think they left because of the loss of trust that move and the subsequent negative PR created.
It's natural people are looking for something new, even though the quality of life is lower for now. Some things are more important than convenience.
Edit: I forgot to answer the question. No, I don't think it's ironic. I think it's telling.
Well for me it's that Reddit simply won't have any third-party apps in the near future (because of the pricing), while fediverse apps like lemmy and kbin, despite not having a wide range of options for them right now, can have as many as it wants and have no way to kill them.
Plus if they're wiling to do this, who knows whether they'll keep old.reddit.com around in the near future as well?
Do you really take a pragmatic stance like this for everything in life, or do you just not like to talk about abstract concepts like emotions, trust, having principles etc.?
What I'm really asking is, does being treated like shit and taken for an idiot by a huge company have any bearing on your decision or is it truly only about the user experience of using said company's services?
Uh... I suppose I am taking a pragmatic stance? At the end of the day it's just an internet service, I don't have any "personal connections" with Reddit so I don't feel anything remotely close to "being treated like shit and taken for an idiot".
They're doing stuff that's inconveniencing and disrupts my expected flow, so I'm leaving the platform - that's more or less the whole situation for me.
The issue I have with your stance is dependent very much of the nature of the service we are talking about.
It's not "just an internet service" in a vacuum. It's a huge base of influence, powerful enough to affect election results, public policy and a platform for ideas which can have life and death level importance for some people.
I wouldn't talk about principles and trust if the service in question was something like an app to manage your personal finances, watch tv shows on or anything like that. We're talking about a company with enough influence to affect millions of lives, which can in turn be affected only by millions of lives taking a stance towards it.
I don't know how else to explain this. Some things are, by their nature, aren't supposed to be personal choices. One can have an opinion, and one can have personal reasons to do as they please, but I think one should at least have some awareness of what the thing they're forming opinions on influences ultimately.
You may say "what difference could my personal choice as a single person make", and that's valid, but if that was true in every case, marketing and outreach wouldn't have any effect on life, crowdfunding wouldn't be a thing, people on youtube wouldn't literally beg for likes and subscribes, of which everyone can have one per video and per channel respectively.
I see, I think that's a valid point to make. For myself though, I don't really see or use Reddit in that manner since I always considered it to be a content and link aggregator. It has a collection of communities that I subscribe to see links/images/videos, and that's it. So in that sense I don't personally view it more than, as you say, an app to to manage your personal finances and watch TV shows.
Of course that's not to say that it's not capable of the things you've mentioned, it's absolutely able to influence the opinions of those that participate in the platform. And by extension it's reasonable to expect that the management of the platform needs to be trustable - which is being put to question with their recent actions.
Are you on crack my dude? I'm viewing this post from Jerboa right now
OP is on kbin which is different code from lemmy. Someone's working on a 3rd party app from kbin but right now there isn't.
Joke's on you I'm reading this on jerboa
For Vulcan, the strongest impetus to move to kbin was the Snoo Platform's decision to change how API will be accessed, and also Apollo drama.
Vulcan was a Relay user and Relay's dev decision to move into subscription model (can't blame the dev) due to corporate greed of Snoo Platform's execs successfully alienated me from the Snoo Platform.
May l ask why you refer to yourself in the third person?
Same though, Ijdawson's sync for reddit is closing :(
Literary choice and habit :)
Vulcan has made a great choice and habit.
The boulder thinks he has made a good choice.
I'm not having a go or anything. I'm loving this whole transition period. I do miss my boost app though! Does jerboa connect to kbin? or just lemmy? I should go find that out for myself. brb. Also realise that others are most likely being worked on.
Just lemmy, far as I know. There's one in development called Kmoon, but I can't currently pull up a link and it's still in development anyway. I do really miss Boost, though. The tagging system was both fun and useful, and color-coding the threads made them SO much easier to follow if I had to scroll back up for something right quick
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for ios there is mlem and memmy on testflight. lots of people are working on cool projects on github
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Well, I came here over corporate greed and abusive mods long before the API changes :P
I've only been on kbin for a few days, but i was on lemmy before that, and before that i was on mastodon.social. Though tbf, i only deleted my reddit account a few days ago, and stopped using reddit completely when they first announced the API. Though in recent months, i kinda stopped using reddit as much as i used to. I just didn't have anything to fill the gap. But now i have kbin. Anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk
I’m accessing this through Mlem on iOS and I only use Mastodon on Ivory. 3P is pretty much the only way I access media these days.
What’s the homepage address for kbin that you put in to access on Mlem? Kbin.social doesn’t work for me :/
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If you have ios join the Memmy TestFlight group and use the app. Infinitely better experience.
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Um I don't really understand that thought. Is there an official Lemmy app? What do you think "third party app" means? Posted from Jerboa for Lemmy..
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