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Why YSK?

The first person who typed "should of" probably heard of it in real life that was meant to be "should've", they typed "should of" online and readers thought that it's grammatically correct to say "should of" which is in fact wrong and it became widespread throughout the years on Reddit.

I hope something could start to change.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I'm not a grammar nazi, but "should of" is driving me up the wall.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know right, I know people make careless grammatical mistakes all the time, including me, which is completely fine but people outright thought that "should of" is correct and use it all the time starts to get annoying

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I know, for all intensive purposes it's maddening.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That and "all of the sudden."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Not just any other sudden. It's THE sudden.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Same! I rather see shoulda than should of.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

But more importantly, where do you stand on the Oxford comma?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Nice one. Who’d’ve guessed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wouldn't've, that's for sure!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

As a non-native speaker, that hurts !!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Y'all're taking it too far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

now im wondering if this is actually gramatically correct or not

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Yes, it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

😱 You are triggering my fear of more than 1 apostrophes in a word

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Even as a non native speaker "should of" feels really weird to me, it just doesn't make sense. Is this a mistake English speakers do as well?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Pretty sure it's actually one of those mistakes that is made more often by native speakers than non-native speakers

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

It's like theyre/theire/they're - in my experience it's mostly native speakers confusing them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I’ve seen have in textbooks way more than ’ve and it’s baked into my brain... This mistake only happens if you hear the word before seeing it written.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's because "should've" and "should of" are pronounced the same. It doesn't make sense because they're just writing what they hear instead of thinking "I'm using the contraction of the auxiliary verb 'have'"..

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m certainly no grammar freak and English also isn’t my native language but this deives me insane… Same with your vs you’re… it’s soooo easy…

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn’t it actually “For Fuck’s sake”?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Should of" is bone apple tea material.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

ITT: Awful linguistics takes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My in-laws and I have a Signal group where we share fun spellings and pronunciations. We call it "udder mayham." It's fun.

I could care less.

This one is popular.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

udder mayham

That's an eggcorn right?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Typing "should of" is a sign of failing to understand the basics of English grammar.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

language is full of idiosyncrasies like this (my favorite is an ekename -> a nekename -> a nickname. see Wikipedia). it's perfectly conceivable that should have would be fully re-analyzed in speech like that, so the proper form of the verb to have would become of after should

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Same deal with the word "Apron". It started out as napron, so people would say a napron which turned into an apron

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Crazy thing is, it’s getting widespread acceptance, and will probably accepted as grammatically correct in a few years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not until the definition of the word "of" changes. It is not a synonym for the word "have," nor will be anytime soon.

Perhaps, when speaking, accent, mush-mouthed laziness, or plain ignorance will confuse "should have" and "should of", but one is objectively correct, and one is not.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Shoulda coulda & woulda are all intentional uses of slang, IMO and also exceptable online discourse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

should of is probably a product of phonetic typing (those who just type the letters that match the internal audio) or when siri first launched voice typing and no one bothered to check it. Edit: Should of should've died a long time ago tbh. could do with a mini-crusade.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anyone else also say "shouldn't've" instead of "shouldn't have"? No? Just me?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

“shouldn’t’ve”

In Canada - we will've stolen it from Ireland or Scotland - we'll jam three contractions onto the end of a word. I forget which case it is, but I run across or write it almost weekly. It's like a "will have been" kind of super compound phrase.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

While it is true that "should of" etc. can easily originate from a confusion between "'ve'" and unstressed "of", which sound identical, the statement

"Should of" is incorrect

itself is at least a bit misleading and prescriptivist in its generality.

Interestingly, there seem to be at least some native English speakers who genuinely do say "should of" (with a stressed "of") sometimes. This paper for example argues that people who say "should of" really do use a grammatical construction of the form modal verb + of + past participle. One argument the author mentions is that this would also explain the words "woulda", "coulda" and "shoulda", since "of"->"a" is quite common in general (e.g. "kind of" -> "kinda"), but "'ve"->"a" basically doesn't occur elsewhere (e.g. no one says "I'a" or "you'a" instead of "I've" or "you've"). Another is that the reverse mistake, i.e. using "'ve'" in place of "of" (e.g. "kind've"), is much rarer, which is a clear difference to e.g. the situation with "they're"/"their"/"there", where people use these words in place of the others in all combinations frequently. I recommend this blog article for a much longer discussion.

Also, whether genuine mistake (which it almost certainly is in many cases, although probably not all) or different grammatical construction, YSK that "should of" etc. didn't just become popular recently, but have been used for centuries. E.g. John Keats wrote in a letter in 1814: "Had I known of your illness I should not of written in such fiery phrase in my first Letter.". Many more examples (some older as well) can be found e.g. here or here.

TL;DR: While in many cases "should of" etc. can well be a mistake, originating from the fact that it sounds identical to "should've" when unstressed, there is some interesting linguistic evidence that at least in some dialects of English native speakers really do say "should of" etc. (i.e. in those cases it is not a mistake, merely non-standard/dialectal).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Isn't "have" either an auxiliary verb or verb and "of" a preposition?

Are these acceptable? If yes, why? If not, why not?

  • I of heard that story before.

  • Diane of already gone.

  • John ofn't phoned, of he?

  • I ofn't visited London before.

  • Of you seen Roz?

  • Of she been invited?

  • They still ofn't of any news when I spoke to them yesterday.

I don't know man, Oxford Dictionary (click Grammar Point to expand) says that https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/have_2

A common mistake is to write ‘could of’ instead of could have or could've

~~I could of told you that.~~

I could've told you that.

The reason for the mistake is that the pronunciation of ’ve is the same as that of of when it is not stressed. This is a common error but it is definitely considered wrong in standard English.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Should of" is grammatically incorrect, regardless of whether the user/speaker is aware of its incorrectness. It's a fact, and a fact per se cannot be misleading. It's as simple as that. Linguistic conventions, as you've illustrated, can be formed over time, but that again doesn't take away from the fact that such usage is grammatically incorrect to begin with.

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