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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Season 2 is released? I just finished watching season 1 yesterday!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Good timing!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Spock steals the Enterprise (again) -- what more could I ask for?

Also yeah -- I really love how SNW is establishing that Spock has been, in the words of Eleanor Shellstrop of The Good Place, a messy bench who loves drama, since, you know, forever. How did he put it? "I thought it was obvious. I am proposing we steal the Enterprise." Amazing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (14 children)

So we're not going to talk about the drugs that supposedly give you the strength to beat teams of Klingons and have no side effects?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I'm doing my first watch of TOS and the instrument that Spock picks up is the same as in TOS 1x02. That was a cool little reference.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I agree completely. This Episode was not very good. Star Trek is best when smart people come up with brilliant ways to solve a problem. Beating up 20 klingons with super potion is just lazy writing and dumb. Stealing the Enterprise was unnecessary. Just write the Admiral to not be a dumbass and allow the mission.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Enjoyed pretty much everything in this episode except the magic super steroids. The sequence went on for so long.. I assumed that I had forgotten something from last series because there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

That aside. Loved the rest of the episode and looking forward to where things go from here (plus really really happy to have weekly Trek again!)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

Ah, yes, the star trek classic!

I do agree, though. It was too long and too effective. A quick burst to make their way past the medical guards and into a turbolift would have been more believable and better paced.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm only 14 minutes in, and I'm already way into this season.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do annotations for every episode on DaystromInstitute, noting references and so on. Do I post the one I’ve done for “The Broken Circle” here or wait for Sunday?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Have we ever heard of Lanthanites? Apparently they

spoilerlive such a long time they get bored and they are hiding on Earth in the 22nd century.

I wonder if they know about the El-Aurians or Q.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised. But I love how they just created a Guinan for SNW.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nice episode, I was expecting a cliffhanger at the end showing what Pike was up to.

I am curious about the Lanthanites, I’ve had visitor before, like Guinan in 1890s, but a whole species living among side humans, maybe they don’t have a big population, I bet they could be the origin of many human myths. I wonder what was their reason.

Maybe It will help with Una’s trial, since both pretended to be humans.

Also, in TOS there was about an Immortal Human, maybe he was a Lanthanite and just didn’t know.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I am unsure how Lanthanites can have a distinct accent if they spent centuries successfully blending in, but I agree that it's interesting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Structural differences in their larynx, tongue, or lips seem likely.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Finally had time to watch it tonight and I thought it was great.

I feel like what seemed corny or off was on purpose. Spock is on a learning curve with his emotions/duty conundrum and we certainly felt that.

Looking forward to next week!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Overall, a pretty good episode! I am slightly conflicted - I really like the character development of this Spock, but it's also less and less feeling like the Spock we'll eventually see in TOS. As the Klingon captain said, 'the least Vulcan like Vulcan ever' - whereas Spock in TOS is trying to suppress his human side and it takes him till like Star Trek VI to actually act on a hunch. But I am also conflicted as I really like this character too.

The stealing the Enterprise scene, I think Search for Spock is laughing... The CGI of the Enterprise manuvering away from space dock and escaping to warp was amazing though - one of the best uses of 3D space in Star Trek ever but pausing for like 5 minutes whilst stealing a ship to decide what his 'line' is going to be... I wish the new series would stop their pre-ocupation with this, it's kind of famous because Picard uses Engage and Make It So enough to be memeable, but most of the time people from Kirk to Janeway to Sisko also use Engage. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, and ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning.) And so every captain doesn't have their thing. Pike's 'hit it' is ok, but 'Let's Fly' is kinda dumb and 'I want to go, now' is out of character and just a really unnecessary part of the story. It's also not going to be memeable when it's forced.

I really didn't like the scene where M'Benga and Chapel use some kind of drug to give them super strength to fight off a whole ship of Klingons and then the torture scene? Star Trek should be cleverer than that and made me lose respect for both of the characters. At least the Klingons look like Klingons again.

I like the new chief engineer a lot more than I thought I was going too though!

Star Trek has always been kind of lax when officers disobeying orders save the day, but I thought the admiral should have been angrier and I really hope there's a scene in episode 2 where Pike and Spock talk about it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree, too much over the top action for my tastes, and the super serum was pretty silly. At least the Klingons were handled well. I like the look of them this season far better than anything else from this era of new Trek. They acted like Klingons too.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

For me that was surprisingly good, by the end I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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