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I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

This is why I didn't make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (17 children)

The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don't think it should be banned outright, I think y'all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm not a tankie and have no love for the government of China (or any government) but there is an extent to which criticism of China is deployed by xenophobes and nazis as a kind of socially acceptable rallying call or dog whistle. So, I'm all for criticizing China, but remember the allegory of the crustpunk bar

https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

To me the key is, is the person upset about other imperialist powers in the world?

If they hate the CCP but never seem to criticize the US or Russia*, I have my doubts about their motivations.

*the russia one is less effective a gauge since the war started though. It's now much more vogue to be anti-russia.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (58 children)

Yup, the flip side of the coin is that reddit really has a hate boner for China. The anti-CCP side has its own collection of nutty people, with a lot of the talking points tracing back to the ~~cult~~ nice people that send out all those Shen Yun flyers.

Shit's complicated. That said, banning all criticism of the Chinese government isn't the answer. We need to be smarter about the information that we digest.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Exactly. Chinese capitalism is currently threatening American capitalism, so American media and american society more generally demonizes it. China is willing to offer cheaper loans to 3rd world countries than any western countries and banks like the IMF. Of course, this is still exploitative imperialism, but it is slightly less bad than the west. China. Of course, China treats its workers terribly, but it at least tries to reinvest the surplus it takes from those workers into domestic production and infrastructure. Tankies love to depict China as ontologically good because it opposes american hegemony and has a rapidly growing economy. They ignore its imperialism and domestic exploitation. Redditors, American exceptionalists, and their ilk depict China as ontologically evil, a threat to world peace, the most totalitarian country imaginable. They of course ignore the comparably bad conditions of America's puppet states and its domestic prison system. The reality is much more boring. Two capitalist nation states are fighting over their shares of the world market.

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