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Did they claim that politicians will be working for the betterment of the nation and the public rather than for the betterment of themselves?
Yes, they did.
They may have lied, and I imagine quite a few of them did, but that was the line.
Could you possibly provide a source to back that up?
Yeah, no problem at all.
There is some debate around where exactly the talk of legitimate devolved powers for Cymru originated and indeed finished, but I would say that there are 2 documents you can pin it down to pretty well.
A white paper called: A Voice for Wales - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/RP97-129/RP97-129.pdf
And the Government of Wales Act of 1998 (As it was enacted in 1998) - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/38/contents/enacted
I was unable to find a free link for the white paper above, though the document I substituted it with, discusses it in great detail.
Both discuss devolution in great length, you should find what you're looking for here.
I've had a look through this paper and I can't find any claim that politicians will be working for the betterment of the nation and the public rather than for the betterment of themselves. I'd be absolutely astonished if there was such a claim published in an official UK government publication because such a claim would constitute an acknowledgement that contemporary UK politicians act for their own betterment rather than for the betterment of the nation and the public. If you're adamant that this document contains such a claim, could you be more precise with your referencing? That is, provide page numbers, etc?
Devolution doesn't interest me. What interests me is what happened in your life to give you the impression that politicians are supposed to work for the betterment of the nation and the public rather than for the betterment of themselves. Where did you get this idea from? If it came from campaigning around devolution, who said what and when during the campaign to give you this impression? Exactly?
Before I go through the answers I've already provided for you and pick out specific things so that you don't have to read through it yourself, will you agree to stop moving the goal posts here and actually engage meaningfully in this discussion, or is this ultimately just a waste of both of our times as you have your position, and you have zero interest in moving it? For the record, I don't mind if you have zero interest in changing your opinion, I would just like to know, so I don't waste more of my time.
I haven't moved the goal posts. The goal is to understand what happened in your life to make you believe that politicians are supposed to act any other way than putting their own interests first. I'm not sure why you think those goal posts have changed.
There hasn't been much discussion.
The fact that when I asked what happened to make you believe politicians are supposed put the nation and the people above other interests, you responded with a government publication about devolution, tells me that (1) you don't understand the question, (2) we're not communicating and (3) it's unlikely that we will be able to communicate.