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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

You know, interesting kind of aside here, I haven't seen talked about anywhere at all, but I would like to interrogate everyone here about it to get their thoughts.

I don't think AI is generally going to just replace artists wholesale, or is going to take over without some sort of editing, and that editing will probably necessitate a kind of creative process, and that's probably going to be adjacent to what lots of artists already do. AI as a tool, rather than as a replacement. We saw this with the shift from 2d to 3d in animation. This was accompanied by lack of unionization in the 3d workforce, yes, and was incentivized by it, but the convergence of these mediums, even really only fairly recently, has bolstered artists' ability to make much smaller projects work on a larger scale than they previously would've been able to. If you really need evidence of this, you can kind of look at much earlier newgrounds stuff vs the later work. There's less people using that site now, and the userbase has probably aged up substantially over time, but I do think it's probably fair to say that the quality of the work has gone up (quality obviously being subjective). Basically, Blender is a pretty good software, it's very cool and good.

SO, to the point, if this is the case, and artists are able to substantially cut down on their workload, while still producing similar or larger outputs, or better outputs, will this actually affect art, kind of, as an industry? Is there a pre-allocated volume of art that public consciousness will allow to exist? In which case, the amount of artists would go down. Or is it more the case that there is only a pre-allocated amount of capital that can be given to art? In which case, the number of artists might be the same, and we might just see larger volumes of art in general? I think historically the latter is the case, but that might have changed, or, more realistically, I think it would be dependent on external economic factors.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Got vehemently disagreed with, without counter-argument, for making the point that 'AI' art already requires a decent amount of human input and knowledged tinkering to get an adequate result.

I, for example, can't sit down and make Midjourney output a human with only five fingers per hand. I'm sure I wouldn't have to look too hard to find a tutorial on how to solve that hurdle, and the effort is no doubt a lot less than painting it myself. But my point stands that 'AI'/LLMs aren't doing diddly useful squat on their own and won't be for a while because so far they just do not understand abstract reasoning and so need humans to accommodate that element.

I recall an excellent article that pointed out 'AI' doesn't understand a prompt that says 'no giraffes' because people do not label every image on the internet that does not contain giraffes with 'no giraffes'.

So, waffle coming to a close, I absolutely agree with you. As it stands - and likely for a long while yet - 'AI'/LLMs are just a tool that can be helpful to artists in certain situations.

The point of the OP microblog still stands though; our system prioritises made up money trees over actual human life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Minor nitpick, but negative weights exist for the purposes of excluding a result. Yeah people dont list "no giraffe" as a tag, but if you apply a negative weight to Giraffe, the AI will try and exclude any result that might count as a giraffe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair enough; I don't know enough about it.

Does my point still stand up though? It requires a human to tweak these things - to prompt. The 'AI' isn't imagining it up on its own.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ye, thats why I said my nitpick was minor. AI Art is now my main preferred style of creating art, and it still takes me days of work and plenty of time in photoshop tweaking my results to get the final result I want

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