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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (93 children)

Bernie is and has always been a skilled political but at least he is not hypocritical and duplicitous like so many others.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You just blow in from stupid town or is this a bad sarcasm bit?

To clarify, Bernie Sanders supported NATO bombing Yugoslavia with the rationale of preventing genocide, he has never to my knowledge apologized or disagreed with this since then, he has a history of being willing to physically bomb a people to stop genocide, yet now he balks at sanctions(which he also is very happy to deploy, unless they are geopolitically inconvenient to him.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Did you know that the most powerful way to win over people and debate effectively is to open up with an ad hominem?

Bernie is a human, and like most of us has been on the wrong side of things in the past, he is not on the wrong side here, but he does not have the support or backing to do more than use strong words.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Begging the Question. Appeal to Emotion. Fallacy Fallacy. Slothful Induction. Appeal to Nature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What would you suggest then? What more can I do and say as an individual than what I have? What can he do that you would deem more effective?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What can he do that you would deem more effective?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

it's from the 2017 movie first reformed

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

You could also get on the Bernie hate bandwagon. That would be a marginal improvement.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago

he does not have the support or backing to do more than use strong words.

He didn't even use words like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". What's he's doing is worse than useless because it doesn't rock the boat and libs don't get mad and they can entirely ignore him.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

An ad hominem isn't a fancy word for "an insult" you stupid fucking idiot. An ad hominem is a rhetorical fallacy that ties your (bad) personal character to the quality of the argument you make - You are a stupid fucking idiot, therefore your argument is wrong.
Learn what things mean you dog, you beetle, you utter stain on my underwear. Insulting you isn't a fallacy, it's what you get for being a dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God this should be a site tagline

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

I've written so many bangers and yet the site admins refuse me this honor 😔

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Learn what things mean you dog, you beetle

michael-laugh

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You ever just wake up in the morning and think, "yeah I'll run interference for genocide supporters"?

Couldn't be me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Nope never not real my mo.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Did you know that ad hominem is not a fancy word for insult?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

I knew a guy that had a chart of logical fallacies they would point to and show off. They had a collage of their favourite men as their computer desktop background as well, faces like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. It was for inspiration.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What putting a timeline on another person's freedom does to a mf. If you were under the gun, you wouldn't have much tolerance for the devil's advocate. Letting people pontificate about the morality of genocide got us to this point in the first place. To what end would you try and win over an advocate of genocide? You don't actually debate a hostage taker or try to win them over. You don't actually entertain the idea that they had a point in putting an innocent person in a violent situation. Empathy might be a tactic in the strategy in order to expropriate the hostage taker from the victims like getting the hostage taker to admit they're in over their head. Bernie clearly doesn't have an overarching strategy of frustrating Israel's capacity to enslave Gaza. If the frame is anything but Israel should be made to yield then you're playing games with people's lives and it's sad that someone once told you that it's okay to do that

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