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Lmao, not a piracy problem. Just the Yemenis carrying out legitimate naval interdiction operations and interference from Israel's allies. Mfkers pretending this is a piracy problem like off the coast of Somalia when it's just ships affiliated with Israel being interdicted.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (51 children)

I mean, same. Theyve managed to accomplish many incredible things in the past decade, but they also have many policies I find reprehensible.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (32 children)

Is it the non-existent genocide of uighurs, the non-existent genocide of Tibet or the crushing of a western color revolt in Hong Kong that got you all libbed up?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children)

Well I am far from a lib if you read my other comments, though it seems like you are the type that might actually go through them all and find some hint of libness or something.

Anyway, off the top of my head, things I disagree with the Chinese state on include being mass surveillance society, and their long stated, and recently reiterated, position that Taiwan rightfully belongs under Chinese rule.

Oh right, I am also actually against the widespread standardization of the various different languages in different regions of China to 'Simplified Chinese'.

In my lifetime I have had the chance to speak with many different persons born in China. Some were wealthy, sent to America for college and spoke excellent English. Some were wealthy and sent to America for college and spoke basically no English whatsoever. Many, many others, working class, spoke little English but had great fun communicating to me via the aid of translation apps... I was about as bad at 'Chinese' as they were at English, but we always laughed about it.

I say 'Chinese' in quotes here me because different such Chinese people from different regions, if they do not know the common tongue of Mandarin / Simplified Chinese... they actually cannot understand nearly anything said, or even written, in the actual native 'dialects' of their regions. Canton/Hong Kong, Nanjing/Beijing, Shanghai... they are functionally entirely different languages.

For more on this:

https://asiasociety.org/china-learning-initiatives/many-dialects-china

Many Chinese dialects are at least as different from each other as the Romance languages are, which should classify them as separate languages.

To me this means that the standardization of the Chinese language into 'Simplified Chinese' functionally constitutes the erasure of the ancient and native tongues of huge portions of the population, and reminds me of what America has done to Native Americans, at least in terms of functionally making it so that very few grandchildren can speak the language of their grandparents.

Now, given how you have already established that you like to jump to the conclusion that I am a lib, I also now have to state what should be obvious but otherwise in this context would not be without specification:

America and basically all of the developed Western countries (UK really stands out) are also mass surveillance societies, as are others.

And no, I do not think that Taiwan is some kind of magical wonderland, it is a capitalist society and thus has all the problems that come with capitalism. And yes, I am aware that its modern government derives from basically the remnants of Chiang Kai Shek and his army, and more or less the basically just-out-of-feudalistic-nobility class of wealthy capitalists that managed to flee with him.

That being said, I do believe that now, nearly 100 years later, having been their own society for that long, it is at the very least not ethical for another state to assert their ability to govern a people who generally speaking seem to me at least to be fiercely opposed to that.

If I am factually wrong about any of this, I would appreciate it if you could correct any glaringly false things my views here are based on, or if you could point me to somewhere I could learn more.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Taiwan rightfully belongs under Chinese rule.

This is also the Taiwanese position.

Taiwan has never claimed independence, they're called the Republic of China because they see themselves as the rightful Chinese government in exile. They don't want a small isolated island, they want to take back the mainland.

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