This fucking sucks, the Great Satan needs to be forced to embrace the Great Seitan 
(so does the rest of the first world but Great Satan/Seitan was funnier)
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leftism without veganism is incoherent and no amount of treat cope will make it otherwise
Before someone comes in calling this liberal idealism, here are your material reasons:
In a society that takes climate change and ecological destruction seriously, the land/food/water requirements for raising animals for food are totally untenable. This is literally just a constraint problem. Read Half Earth Socialism.
Capitalism requires the ability to dehumanize people in order to manufacture consent for their exploitation or destruction. This relies on creating a hierarchy where the lives of (white-male-cis-het) humans are important but anyone deemed sub-human or an animal can be maximally exploited or destroyed. This in turn requires a widespread acceptance that it is okay to do as we wish to nonhuman animals. Eating meat contributes to the maintenance of a line where, if you manage to push someone over it, you can do whatever you want to them. See israeli defense minister calling Palestinians animals. It's an objective fact that humans are animals. So why is it bad to state an objective fact? Because what this really means is they've pushed Palestinians over the line you uphold every time you stuff your face with meat, and they can do to them what you did to that animal you're eating.
By freeing nonhuman animals we free ourselves.
And yet when I call for mass euthanasia of the domesticated livestock herd somehow I’m the monster.
yea this is one case where you/we (vegans) are obligated to do a bit. maybe not so far as to kill individual animals but definitely work to reduce their reproduction and therefore future population
Didn't the mass euthanasia of muscrats in Finland due to covid basically kill the industry overnight?
Unless we're going to somehow re-home millions of chattel animals, or release them to the wild where they'll terrorize the local ecosystem I don't really know that the solution is.
Maybe maintain the farm until they die? But if it's a battery farm then that's not a way to live.
Sterilizing them & keeping them on repurposed farms with basically decent standards of living until they die of natural causes is probably the most humane route. However, in this hypothetical scenario we would have to contend with the constraint problem of necessary land/food/water supporting these animals with their (often quite long) lifespans. In reality it will probably be a patchwork of euthanasia with isolated efforts to save as many as possible. The unfortunate aspect of creating enormous death machines is that even when you shut them off they take time to grind to a halt. At least we will not continue to bring billions of animal lives into existence for the purpose of suffering & slaughter.
Yeah, which was kinda why I mentioned the effect that mass euthanasia had on the fur industry. The death machines have a lot of momentum, and that works both ways. They're really hard to start back up if they are stopped.
Theres 1.5 billion chickens in the United States. It’s hard to imagine.
E: now that I can type a little more, Just going by the free range guidelines from the usda (generally focused on production instead of quality of life), they would need 345 thousand acres of forage land and half that much in coop space.