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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Problem is that I genuinely do struggle to think of an issue that I think the right-wing are correct on. It's not mere tribalism, it's not "other team bad". It is a fundamental difference in values, and worldview.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago (13 children)

While I am not right, I do spend some time how it can be. So, pick a topic, I might be able to explain it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I don't need explanations. I've spoken to a lot of conservatives, about a lot of topics. It's not that I don't understand. It's that we value different things. That we see the world differently.

Very abstractly, conservatives tend (and individuals are different so may tend more or less) to believe that hierarchy is natural, and unavoidable. That hierarchy simply is the way the world is. Progressives on the other hand tend to be more egalitarian, all are created equal and hierarchies are usually unjust and should be dismantled.

It's why there is such a consistent division of beliefs. Why people, if they hold some conservative or progressive values, tend to also hold other beliefs of the same categorisation. Where when new issues come up, we can predict with good accuracy who is going to take what stance, by answering the question: Does this move power up, or down, the hierarchy? Does this reinforce the hierarchy, or does it weaken the hierarchy?

It also explains seemingly contradictory conservative beliefs. It explains why the right-wing, who at their fringes host white-supremacists and who are represented in government by people who talk about "Jewish space lasers", are now supporting Israel and accusing people of antisemitism. Because Israel is higher in the hierarchy than Palestine. Their claims to care about antisemitism are laughably flimsy in context, they are lies propped up in front of the real belief.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Interestingly you can believe that hierarchy is natural and still be a leftist, because coercive hierarchies (such as capitalist or the state) that the left is against prevent these natural hierarchies from emerging. The problem with the right is that they have a model of society in their mind and think that any divergence isn't natural and must be fixed (by either capitalism or the state). While the left understands that there is no reason some people can't be in power and so want's to equalize the playing field.

Human beings aren't made equally and there will always be some hierarchy in human society. Leftists just want to give everyone the opportunity to rise up the ranks instead of just the "right" people. That is why everyone must be treated equally you don't know where they exist in the hierarchy.

Technically there isn't a single social hierarchy. But multiple overlapping ones. Some people are better in some things and other are better in other things. Saying that everyone is equal is too simplified. Society is more complex than that.

But as a generalization (especially when compared to the right) it is correct.

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