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Palestine will be free from the river to the sea
Because “Death to Israel” doesn’t rhyme.
“Death to Israel” isn’t antisemitic. A racist genocidal state must die for everyone in Palestine [Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists and pagans] to be free. https://www.threads.net/@torahjudaism/post/CzbmCTzuYRt/
You do realize a state can dissolve without literally everyone dying right? When East Germany and West Germany reunified the entire population of both countries didn't die. When apartheid collapsed in South Africa all the settlers didn't die.
"death to america" does refer to an end to the US empire- not the American people. I've talked with a fair number of Iranians who dislike their own government and Americas reign of terror around the world.
From "the river to the sea" means an end to the apartheid government in occupied Palestine. It's projection from the murderous settlers that a unified non-apartheid state would mean their own extermination- because that's what they do to the undesirables in their unified state.
The government isn't the people.
Marg bar Amrika
Israel isn't all Jews, doesn't represent all Jews, and it's legit antisemitic to say that it is.
You are the one sounding antisemitic.
The state of Israel is a genocidal ethnostate, that is the context for the tensions. Israel kills way more Palestinian civilians every day, and has been long before October 7. Before the European colony arrived, Jews, Christians and Muslims co-existed in Palestine.
This is a bit of a nonsequiter. The US is islamaphobic, and the Iraq invasion was criminal, informed by chauvanism, orientalism, and islamophobia, but it's hardly the equivalent of an occupied people resisting that occupation.
May they all be free from the river to the sea someday.
I've only responded to you a couple times, and all I said is that Israel is not all jews, does not speak for all jews, and is a genocidal ethnostate.
Saying death to an ethnostate does not mean death to the people in it, same as death to america doesn't literally mean all americans should die.
This isn't that hard.
One of those parties is a colonial occupier, the other an occupied people resisting state violence. I can support one and not the other.
Death to Israel is not antisemetic, because despite the europeans wrapping it in the trappings of jewishness, it isn't all jews, doesn't speak for all jews.
Israel systematically disenfranchises non-jews and sterilizes non-white jews.
Fake ass settler state getting defended by the bigger fake ass settler state.
Occupied people can resist occupation by any means necessary.
What a convenient opinion for an American to have lol
You're parked on a mountain of corpses on stolen land saying that might makes right
You haven't done it, but there's you defending Israel doing it.
No you just showed up to tone police people resisting settler violence, and act obtuse about what words mean. How are you a native speaker??
I would love if the state of Israel ceased to exist. Death to America.
I'm not the one trying to all lives matter the genocidal ethnostate
You, like many settlers, seem to conflate the death of your settler state with your personal death.
Israel and America kill civilians constantly I can't believe you're pretending like you care as an American if you can't even call for an end to your own government.
You live in a settler state and are defending another one.
I'm mad at Israel because of the genocide it is predicated on.
Non white Jews have been sterilized there, it's got far more in common with the Nazis than any other state besides America
Is saying "death to america" fatphobic?
No I'm wishing death on the fake ass settle states whitey.
Mayofrog I was specific.
Also you're the one defending the racist ethnostate
Comparing the hamas attack to the holocaust is like comparing an indigenous people's raid of settler encampments to the holocaust. It is wildly inappropriate and ignores the difference in power between Jewish people under the nazis and Jewish people in a White Jewish ethnostate
This part of the post
Makes it sound like you think they're of similar themes. Theyre not. One was a wholesale slaughter of an oppressed minority, the other was anticolonial violence directed at settlers.
This is reductionist. You need to wipe away of the context of a white Jewish supremacist apartheid state vs the context of being scapegoats for the nazis for your position to make sense.
Also settlers aren't civilians, settlement is part of an extended military campaign of genocide.
Violence is justified against settlers, violence isn't justified against an oppressed ethnic minority. They are distinct things.
Settlers are humans the same way soldiers are humans and the same way civilians are humans.
Bad faith nonsense in defense of settler colonialism, how original
Oh of fucking course it is going to be violent, unless the settler state caves. That is how anticolonial movements always go. But it is a lesser violence vs the continued violence its existence is predicated on.
Please pick up wretched of the earth by Fanon at your local library, it is a very necessary read for westerners.
It is antisemitic to equate calling for violence against Jewish settlers partaking in genocide to calling for violence against all Jews on the basis of being Jewish.
You're being antisemitic. And if you aren't Jewish, you need to shut the fuck up now. If you are, I'd be happy to explain why your position harms us as a whole.
Bu-but the non-jewish allies have very strong feelings about protecting the european settler state!!
I heard some germans even donated supplies to it
Yeah, it really sucks that colonial violence makes anticolonial violence inevitable. Israel needs to stop doing colonial violence so that the anticolonial violence stops. It will never stop until the colonial violence stops or Israel exterminates all Palestinians.
This isn't a threat this is just an understanding of historical materialism.
If you actually cared about Jewish people and weren't interested in Jewish death to advance a settler colonial political project you'd be calling for an end to Israeli apartheid.
It effectively communicates the message in my opinion.