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I eat meat and for a while now I've said vegans are simply right.
There's a logical inconsistency with valuing the lives of pets, or being an "animal lover" who still eats meat. People don't want to be confronted with their cognitive dissonance, so they make fun of people brave enough to make changes in their lives because it makes them feel better. I genuinely think everyone knows deep down that vegans are right, so they make up reasons as to why they're "unlikeable."
I'm sure in a century's time when we are able to produce meat without killing animals through biological technologies, people will look back at us as morally depraved.
I appreciate the likely uncomfortable truth you present here. Much respect to you and I generally feel the same. Not everyone is willing to move on now, and that's just the nature of cultural norms. For me personally, I don't particularly care what other people do and just try to lead by example.
It is really uncomfortable but also complex. There's so many reasons people still eat meat but you can't really engage with the discussion without acknowledging how expensive/ time consuming following a fulfilling vegan diet that meets all bodily needs is. I think that's a big part of why people won't "move on." Someone else may correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know much on this but I feel like a good vegan diet is so heavily commodified that people can't afford it. The majority of people dom't have a choice as things are, and there aren't many policy changes being put in place to enable ordinary working to lower middle class people to seriously consider a vegan diets.
I don't agree with that, here's a study from Oxford University confirming vegan diets are on average 33% cheaper than omniverous diets.
It can be expensive going vegan if you eat brand name fake meat every day but everyday vegan staples (chickpeas, lentils, beans etc) cost very little.
Great study. To those who believe that raising own meat, dairy, eggs, hunts, fishes, or traps comes in as "nearly free food," either doesn't place a value on their time, and/or doesn't consider the large costs in investment and learning-curve / training involved. (And if it was that cheap and easy, then it would be reflected in low prices at the market and therefore still be cheaper. Evidently, it is not).
you're misreading my comment. I am not calling those methods nearly free (though, for some people, they are.) I'm talking about programs like SNAP or WIC in the USA or food banks or food distribution programs. if someone w literally hands you 5 pounds of pork, and you throw that out, you need to replace that food somehow, probably with money.
that study doesn't account for anyone who gets free or directly subsidized food, raises their own meat dairy or eggs, hunts, fishes, or traps. as a result, it excluded the actual conditions of basically every poor person in a developed country. for many people it is much cheaper not to throw away free or nearly free food and go buy vegan food.