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[–] [email protected] 127 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (69 children)

Free speech is good and must be protected, that's clear. But it should not be virtually limitless. The US played a major role sorting out the negative consequences of the Weimar republic, which did not contain fascist ideology, which then (edit: among other things ofc) lead to WW2.

It still baffles my mind how the US cannot see that tolerating the intolerant must inevitably lead to an intolerant and possibly facist society.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

I have thought about it for a while but the US is basically in a cold civil war, with a significant chance of it becoming hot. And it looks very similar to their previous one. Neither side seem to have a charismatic enough leader.

It's easy to look over the pond and think it's none of our problem. But if the US falls to chaos a lot of other countries will follow suit. We can already see this influence in the UK and I'd argue many other EU countries. Russia probably saw this weakness, bet on it worsening much quicker than it did, but lost that bet (so far).

With that said, addressing the US as a whole no longer makes sense. I'm sure plenty, plenty of Americans see what is happening.

It's unfortunate that one of the wealthiest people on this planet has taken the anti-democratic side, but it's not the first or the last time in history a powerful man, rich beyond measure has done so.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Very much so, the Bavarian Conservative Party literally has gone to have talks with republicans to use their election strategies, the German-wide AgD has ramped up their Anti-LGBT campaigning and started to use similar messaging to far-right propaganda networks, e.g. “protect our children”, “pedophiles”, photoshopped images of CSAM at pride events, etc.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

All the conservative parties in the west seem to be pushing the same thing. It seems pretty co-ordinated which is even scarier. Every country is hearing the same talking points.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yep, it’s very clear. Far right parties are growing, conservatives are running after them trying to keep their voters by using more and more populist tactics, often crossing the line to keep up with far-right talking points, since they can’t keep their voters with their status-quo, corporations-first policies that they’ve been pushing for decades.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah the Tories in the UK which were once the mainstream right are now sucking deeply on the crack pipe of Republican culture wars because after thirteen years in power it’s all they have left.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

are now sucking deeply on the crack pipe of Republican culture wars

As are the conservative parties in Canada.

Until recently the federal conservative party had one of Trump's co-conspirators listed as someone they had worked with. As so as he was indicted, thwy rapidly and quietly removed any mention of him.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Steve Bannon was quoted as wanting to create an "international network of nationalists"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An international group that advocates for not cooperating across international lines?

That (hopefully) seems doomed from the outset.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It does. I think what he really means though is an international group of spin doctors who mobilise nationalist sentiments.

Probably in service to Disaster Capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Absolutely that, and fascism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Wtf, csam photoshopped in? So gross and evil. How are people not arrested - idk about other places but i thought it is illegal in us to own it at all. So if someone photoshopped it - they should be in jail.

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