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Satellite imagery taken after the US strike on Iran's Fordow site showed smoke rising from the fuel enrichment plant. US President Donald Trump claimed key Iranian nuclear sites had been "obliterated," while Iran claimed it had removed nuclear material from the sites before the strikes.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The thing I disagree with is the choice part. You are basically saying that people who have been brainwashed should choose to get the help needed to undo the brainwashing that convinced them that only evil people could have been brainwashed and that they are the most virtuous and righteous people to have ever lived. That just doesn't work, that is why interventions exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

But people don't exist in a vacuum. You're part of a community that's still functioning.

You say as if everyone is straight jacket bound, hands and feet wrapped tightly, eyes blindfolded and mouth plugged. Born that way, in fact. If that were actually the case, you'd all be dead and your country would cease to exist.

You forget to think how this all starts. Everyone is born with free will. You end up in the deep end because of the first few steps you take, and you always have a choice to either stay or change yourself or others. Some choices are easier than others and I'm saying that Trump got in because people chose to be selfish or greedy or ignorant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But we aren't talking about everyone. Trump got less than 50%, 10 to 15% voted for him because they were greedy, and he was good for them. 35 to 40% are just to gullible. It is them I find it hard to completely blame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Look, I have a cousin in Texas who voted Republican last election. She's very smart; works as a psychiatrist for neurodivergent children. Her reasoning for voting that way was because they 'reflect and represent' her values: low taxes and small government. She says she doesn't like Trump but voting Republican doesn't mean that she's voting for Trump, she's voting for her party.

I've spoken to her at length because I wanted to understand where this thought process comes from and my conclusion was that it's total cognitive dissonance, and that's a choice she's made. I know she's smart and rational but when it comes to politics, it seems to me that most Americans just don't care or justify their ignorance with mental gymnastics.

If you can't blame them, that's fine, you do you. However, for me, shame on those who voted Trump in a second time. Shame, shame, shame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I am going to go out on a limb and guess your sister is religous. If not, than she falls into the 10 to 15% who voted for him because they gain something. I had a contractor who turned out to be the same. All he cared about was voting for whoever was better for his wallet. Lower taxes mean more money for him. He even had a slip of paper in his pocket with the values of a stock market index before and after trump. He proudly claimed that is why he would vote for trump.

But my best friends brother in law is a vet, and he is very pro trump. He simply has been duped. He honestly believes that all the negative news about trump is fake news. That it is the establishment trying to smear trump while he fights for the little guy. He is not brilliant, but he is an adult, and he even served his country. But he fell victim to the lies and the propaganda.

For each one like my one time contractor, I know 4 more like my best friends brother in law.