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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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[–] [email protected] 51 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (13 children)

To start us off, Simplicius.

Now, there's a somewhat common trope, particularly among pro-Russia and pro-Resistance commentators, of the "allowed strike"; that is, a military strike that both sides know is about to happen and mutually agree to happening for some reason (usually to save face or allow some diplomatic objective). Unfortunately for somebody like me, who thinks conspiracies along these lines are a form of cope and are usually conveniently unable to be disproved because neither side will admit to it, there are actually recent confirmed cases of this happening, like an Iranian strike on a US facility after they assassinated Soleimani that allowed Iran to save face, or a 2017 Tomahawk strike on the Syrian Shayrat base that just so happened to miss all the important targets and deal little damage.

You know where I'm going with this - Simplicius posits that the Fordow strike was allowed to occur by the Iranians in order to provide Trump with a way to appease neoconservatives but also exit from a budding forever war. I personally don't think this is the case, but I can't say it's certainly untrue (again, because they do actually sometimes happen). The evidence he suggests:

  • Some sources say that Trump informed Iran that he was about to strike Fordow and that the strikes are intended as a "one-off"
  • Iran didn't even attempt to engage with the B2 force. It's not even as if they tried to hit it and missed, even the US doesn't say that they bravely battled Iranian fighter jets to reach Fordow - Iran did not do anything at all despite having time to prepare and knowing what the US would strike a week in advance. Yemen, with much, much less air defense than Iran even in its current state, posed a more significant threat to B2 bombing raids than Iran did during this bombing raid. There is still basically no evidence that Israel is able to fly directly over Iranian territory due to Iranian air defense, and yet the US could reach central Iran entirely unmolested.
  • It was a relatively small strike, not consisting of enough bunker busters to be sure to destroy the facility.
  • Images of the holes left over show that the bunker busters were not stacked up, which many experts expected would have to be the case to breach the facility - essentially a daisy-chain of destruction down to Fordow.
  • In the days prior, Iran used a bunch of flatbed trucks to seemingly stack dirt into the entrance tunnels, presumably to provide a degree of reinforcement to stop them caving in if they were struck. This feels a little strange to do in any case, but protecting the entrances to a facility that they claim is evacuated and that the US is claiming they will soon obliterate is weird; why would you need to re-enter it if there's nothing left?

Again, I disagree with the above. I think it's more likely that the US did actually try and destroy Fordow but simply failed, which could have been for a number of reasons, including that they didn't put much real effort into it because they were perhaps aware that Iran had already evacuated the facility of anything important. There are a limited number of these massive bunker busters, after all. No point wasting a dozen of them on empty facilities.

But anyway, regardless of what happened at Fordow, there's not a lot else to report. The same attritional dynamics are at play here and the ball is in Iran's court, so we'll have to see what they do; perhaps they are waiting for the Iranian visit to Moscow to conclude before making any significant moves.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I could believe the allowed strike theory for this. The problem is believing that the US would actually stick to staying out. If they do, the entity is under terrible risk, with its complete destruction a distinct possibility. I cannot imagine the US allowing that to happen without being properly defeated militarily.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I think something we should enter into our calculations here… I highly doubt that anyone in the top echelons of power in the west thinks there is even a 0.01% chance of Israel collapsing. To nearly everyone else besides us, Israel looks like it’s stronger than ever. It’s western and virtually an extension of the US itself. They don’t see a fascist state flailing from one failed conflict to another. I fully believe they believe they can leave Israel out to dry and that Israel will probably be fine.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's an interesting idea. It's a degree of hubris that I struggle to understand, but I suppose it's possible.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

If it were not for Marxist analysis I myself would have a hard time seeing Israel as anything but basically bulletproof. And even with it, I see Israeli collapse kind of like de-dollarization: something that almost certainly must happen but the status quo makes it likely a ways off. Of course these events can be accelerated or decelerated (I think Israeli collapse is the former while de-dollarization is the later, with China showing every interest in maintaining USD hegemony), but still, the steps it takes to get to Israel collapse are just not how these people think, even the smart ones IMO.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago

It just seems so straightforward. Iranian missiles rain down on the entity, enormously disrupting the comfortable settler lifestyle. Power outages, extended bunker times, economic decline, destruction of housing stock, etc. Settlers, 90% of whom are there to live a permanent Mediterranean vacation, will leave in large numbers. Without demographic dominance, the power base of the entity starts to waver and crumble.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago

how concerned is Washington about Israel's current position? Maybe they still view it as "unsinkable"?

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