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Pearl Harbor would've been successful if all our aircraft carriers were in port that day, it was honestly the only way they could've won in the Pacific. They bet the moon on a longshot and lost it all.
while the orange dipshits decision to start another war in the middle east is deplorable, it is also entirely on par for how our leaders have acted for the past... 40-50 years? 45 years sounds about right. At least that long. At any rate, the situation isn't really that comparable, I don't think, unless someone cares to correct me. Do we really think this is going to end up that catastrophically for us?
In January 1941 it really didn't look like USA had the stomach for a fight. They'd spent 30+ years withdrawing from the global stage, there were marches on the street to keep America out of the war in Europe.
The very fact that by 1943 they'd shipped more than a million soldiers 6,000 miles away to an entirely different continent while doing the same thing in the other direction was an unprecedented achievement.
Plus is also didn't look inevitable that the axis would lose, Germany were still steaming forward in Russia at that point it was far from certain who would prevail and if Japan hadn't hit first they would never have achieved anything.
In January ~~1941~~ 2025 it really didn't look like ~~USA~~ Iran had the stomach for a fight.
It's not really comporable though? USA had more manufacturing capacity than almost the entire rest of the world combined in 1941.
Plus Iran has consistently shown it does have the stomach for a fight. It's used terrorist cells and proxy militias to engage in indirect warfare with Israel and it's allies since the Islamic Revolution. You couldn't pick an enemy in the world more willing and able to put up a fight against Israel and America.
Certainly not in conventional means but then they've never shown any interest in conventional warfare since Iran/Iraq and they mostly won that through the use of suicide bombers disuading Hussein from perusing a ground offensive in Iran.
Sounds like you are agreeing with me, not arguing against me.
So these cancel out.
So they have already shown willingness to fight one enemy. But after this attack.
Now they have been provoked into a war with the US.
I'm just saying that there's no fair comparison between USA in 1941 and Iran in 2025 because everything about their situations is different, despite the similar results we're likely to see.
I was neither agreeing or disagreeing with you.
History rhymes rather than repeats.
I think the parallels of a country being unjustly attacked by another, possibly leading to a world war, are worth considering.
No, I think beyond this meme there's zero to link the two. Far more ominous are the parallels to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Even down to the false claims of WMD.
Yes, that parallel is much stronger.