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"This is the behavior of a crazy person.

Trump is a massive failure as president. He has allowed a genocidal monster to take over the foreign policy of the United States.

Trump has permitted Netanyahu to drag America to the threshold of war with Iran."

Source by Paul Craig Roberts, Institute for Political Economy

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (45 children)

Same thing we did when netanyahu was the de facto president last year: Speak truth, get ignored at best and met with hostility most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (44 children)

This was one of the guys who spent every day agitating against Harris. Kudos, bro!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (29 children)

Like so. Hostility for being against genocide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's not hostility for being against genocide.

It's hostility for ignoring the genocide you have triggered back in the US. For people who were supposedly against genocide, you sure did help trump get elected, which made the thing you supposedly "care" about, about 100 times worse.

Hope your moral righteousness can stop ICE. But we already saw how it helped the Palestinians, so I doubt it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s not hostility for being against genocide.

Bullshit.

It’s hostility for ignoring the genocide you have triggered back in the US. For people who were supposedly against genocide, you sure did help trump get elected, which made the thing you supposedly “care” about, about 100 times worse.

You just want someone to blame now that your second favorite candidate is carrying out your only policy for you. If people who don't adore everything netanyahu does weren't worth listening to, you don't get to blame us when what we tried to warn you would happen happens.

Hope your moral righteousness can stop ICE.

Your moral cowardice made this happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know what made this happen is a bunch of so-called leftists who make voting for the President (or even worse, withholding their vote) their only political act.

We could change the world if we’d unite and get involved in primaries and get out and inspire and educate. But instead we sit at our computers and shitpost and laud our own supposed moral superiority and deride other leftists who are only slightly different than us while everything in the real world just gets incrementally worse and worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We could change the world if we’d unite and get involved in primaries

WHAT FUCKING PRIMARIES? We didn't have any last year because your shitty wing of the party decided we shouldn't have a choice. After all, we might choose someone who wasn't hell bent on wiping out Gaza like party leadershit wanted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm specifically talking about EACH AND EVERY FUCKING PRIMARY. No one except a small bunch of boomers ever bothers to take part in these. You're proving my point by instantly assuming that presidential primaries are the only primaries. This is a crisis that has only been enabled over decades by the apathy and lack of participation of leftists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

You’re proving my point by instantly assuming that presidential primaries are the only primaries.

The party denying us all a choice because they prefer genocide to letting their voters choose their candidate is emblematic of a deeper issue within the party and its primary system. I can provide additional examples of the party's malfeasance during the primaries. That was just the most glaring.

This is a crisis that has only been enabled over decades by the apathy and lack of participation of leftists.

This is a crisis because the party runs dishonest primaries when it deigns to run them at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My "moral cowardice" led me to vote for kamala because my trans sister is now fearing for her life.

I hope you can look at your Hispanic friends and tell them you have moral righteousness as they are arrested and shipped off to prison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I voted for Harris too. but since I had the fucking temerity to criticize genocide, you've decided that I'm to blame for her losing.

Hiding behind the vulnerable minorities your party throws under the bus every chance it gets in order to justify genocide is low and shameful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

DONT VOTE FOR KAMALA GENOCIDE IS TERRIBLE, AHJHHHH

well of course I voted for kamala.

What a fucking tool bag you are, go fuck yourself

[–] [email protected] -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I never once advocated for not voting, voting third party, or voting for trump. Not a single time. All of my advocacy was for the party dropping its support for genocide.

I get that centrists don't like that because they preferred to lose than stop selling weapons for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

By your own logic I guess you're a centrist because your "moral weakness" allowed you to vote for kamala

You can't stick to your moral guns. I know I can.

What a fucking idiot you are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

By your own logic I guess you’re a centrist because your “moral weakness” allowed you to vote for kamala

Vote like you want? No, you can't do that and still oppose genocide. Oppose genocide without saying how you voted? You must be at fault for not voting like I want!

Can't win with genocide loving garbage. It's clear that you don't care how anyone votes. You just want silence from people who don't agree with your genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, you're politically broken.

You can't simultaneously be against genocide while also helping to trigger a genocide in the space you're from and also making the thing you "care" about much, much worse.

You helped do this. You can't weasel your way out of it, because you are actively advocating for it in this very thread.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

You just want silence from the people who don't like selling arms to murder Palestinians with.

During the run up to the election, pro-genocide centrists (there has never been nor ever will be another kind) kept saying "you don't have to agree with harris about everything in order to vote for her!" Guess that was a fucking lie to get chumps like me to vote for genocidal shit.

Centrists scream that progressives are unreasonable for having standards. They holler "purity test!" any time they encounter criticism for anything they do, no matter how reprehensible. But when someone actually compromises their standards like centrists claim to want, they then scream at them for not applying one of the purity tests they claim to hate.

You just want silence from your left while you move so far to the right that genocide is on the table where you want it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Here, how about this.

Since trump won, do you think that the genocide in Palestine has gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Worse. Naturally.

Now you're going to try to Socratic Method me into silence about the genocide you live for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah my dude.

Do you think your very vocal position helped that position?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

The position of the anti-genocide left was held by too few people to make an impact, so we were ignored. Remember?

Of course, this was before you lost and needed someone to blame.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

My position doesn't matter, remember? So no. My position did not help trump get elected. No matter how much you disagree with my position that there should be living Palestinians.

If you want to continue to argue that being opposed to your genocide caused trump's election, then you can admit that your party should have listened to the anti-genocide left.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

congrats on being purposefully ignorant.

I can only assume you are effectively a child - somewhere under the age of 25.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And when centrists run out of arguments for their reprehensible support for genocide, they start calling people children.

Concession accepted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's child-like to uphold exactly one ideal.

Children say my toy is the best and no other toy can compare.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It’s child-like to uphold exactly one ideal.

If you recall, you condemned me for compromising my morals to vote for the pro-genocide candidate you wanted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, you keep shouting it at the top of your lungs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, I want to have a party I can vote for without compromising my morals.

Your vote compromised none of yours.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If that is the case, you will never vote again.

You are a great example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

So fucking stupid, nothing will ever be perfect. Grow up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

If that is the case, you will never vote again.

I said I want to have a party that I can vote for without compromising my morals, not that I would not vote.

You are a great example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

As you already condemned me for, I voted for harris.

So fucking stupid, nothing will ever be perfect.

Nope, but the party can get better. Just not with the silence you demand.

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