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some stray lib wandered in, in started saying stupid shit that's it
Took him like two replies before he went with "Well maybe the Nazis were just smarter about certain things..."
skimming through those comments... that commenter went into "The Nazi's weren't all that bad" and "Maybe Nazi's had it right about the Jews" pretty quick.
Yeah, I agree with this. I think a major issue, in retrospect now that I'm not half asleep, was his use of the word "educated" instead of "indoctrinated", for example. I couldn't formulate it at the time but I also realized at some point that he was Russian and probably has a language barrier besides currently being a little sensitive to broad generalizations.
I'm not Russian but my ex partner who I lived with for many years is Russian and kinda similar in their thinking so I'm kinda used to the linguistic clashes. Not to mention how it happens with my non-English speaking family. Once I realized that the rest clicked. He was kinda lib, maybe radlibish, but I don't think he was a Nazi. Kinda regret shitting on him in the beginning, don't really agree with his position on Zionists but I think he could come around.
That's an interesting family story of yours though, Comrade. Thanks for sharing it, that was very human of her.
Well... maybe its the language barrier thing, like you mentioned, but why would they use the term Nazis instead of Germans.
Feels... off to me.
I just looked at the thread and I think you're right. What that poster was saying reminds me of the Petersonian argument that everyone is a monster and that the people who in this society condemn the Nazis are a lot more likely to end up as concentration camp guards in a Nazi society than they would like to admit.
I agree with the utility of Peterson’s argument, that individuals aren’t inherently good or evil and that constant vigilance is required for good to prevail.
Don’t see what’s wrong with this
I think there's a kernel of truth there, but in Peterson's case it's an argument that humans have a fundamental unchanging nature (in this case, we're all monsters deep down). It's a vulgar version of that Trotsky quote, "Not every exasperated petty bourgeois could have become Hitler, but a particle of Hitler is lodged in every exasperated petty bourgeois." I'm sure a historical materialist analysis could flesh out such a kernel, but I doubt a staunch anticommunist like Jorbles would use such a tool.