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We express our profound concern regarding the dangerous escalation of tensions in the Middle East. We strongly condemn the military actions undertaken by the State of Israel on the night of June 13, which constitute a clear violation of the UN Charter as well as established principles of international law.

Unprovoked military strikes against a sovereign member state of the United Nations, against its citizens, peaceful cities, and critical nuclear energy infrastructure facilities, are totally unacceptable. The international community must not ignore such acts, which not only jeopardise peace but also undermine security both in the region and globally.

oh the irony.... Replace Israel by Russia and it's is the same shit in Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

People under an illegal occupation have every right to resist that occupation including through armed struggle. That is enshrined in international law through the Fourth Geneva Convention as well as UN General Assembly Resolutions such as Resolution 3314.

Don't confuse the West's labelling of anti colonial movements like the ANC, PLO and now Hamas as "terrorists", with international law.

And people outside bought and captured Western governments very much do give a crap about Palestine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Yeah, it's tragic (and the UN's original sin) that Palestine has lived in a legal limbo since 48. When Israel was created, Palestine should have been officially created as a state alongside it, but the palestinian leaders at the time and since have refused to recognize the partition (so it is always mindblowing to me to see that western countries have to expressly recognize Palestine, because legally without Palestine there is no Israel)...so...it's at least more contentious than russia invading the sovereign country Ukraine...twice and denying that it is a real country (russia is both as brutal as Israel and as crazy as hamas).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

You mean the Palestinians refused to accept their own country being partitioned and half of it given away to colonists? Gosh, how unreasonable of them.

By the way if you read Israeli historians like Ilan Pappe the Zionists had no intention of honouring the partition in 1948. They had Plan Dalet drawn up to ethnically cleanse and destroy 500 villages and expel Palestinians from cities. Their intention was a full takeover of the country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It wasn't the Palestinians' own country yet, it was first an Ottoman province and then a british Colony. Just like the partition of India in 47 didn't give all of british India to Indians, Palestinians didn't get all of the land they claimed. Plus the partition plan was plain stupid and bound to end in violence by "sharing" Jerusalem.

But I get it, the difference here is that most Israelis were immigrants to the mandate and refugees from WW2 with a clear nationalist intent to have a jewish country for jewish people with jewish rule and jewish laws...by violence if necessary.

Yeah, I guess one way to look at it is as colonizers or a "cruzader kingdom", but in this case there is no original jewish country to return to in their own worldview...so that approach is just going to get you endless war against an embattled people.

But to return to the main point I was making: none of this is equivalent to what russia did. The partition of the USSR was done peacefully, accepted by both sides and since 2007 russia decided they couldn't let their neighbour live in peace, culminating in the 2014 and 2022 invasions.

It's as if Israel and Palestine had decided to coexist peacefully and then 30 years later one of them decided to take over and deny the other's right to exist the other for no good reason. (plus one of them is the largest country in the world, even less reason to conquer anybody else)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It wasn’t the Palestinians’ own country yet

Really? Who else was living there?

So you're saying, under the dead hand of the Ottomans, that Greeks weren't Greek, people in the Balkan weren't Balkan, Egyptians weren't Egyptian?

And what about Italy prior to its unification? Was that fair game for colonists too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No, Ukraine was not officially a country until it officially signed independence from the USSR, no. That's exactly my point. That's why Taiwan is such a contentious issue, I guess. That's why Tibet is not a country...Scotland...Kurdistan...Catalonia, the list is very long.

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