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Being an Anarchist is being the corpse on the Road that gets run over by both
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Yeah I mean obviously lol I never said they’re not influenced by the US. The point is statements and policies by corrupt autocrats have no bearing the real situation on the ground. That’s not evidence, it’s politics. They will just say whatever is in their best interest regardless of the truth.
Your point about the US influence regarding Palestine is hilariously misinformed because they literally do that. That’s why none of these countries have done anything about Palestine. The only ones who have taken concrete actions are those that are basically already engaged in proxy wars with the west, such as Iran or the Houthis. Others like the Saudis, the new Syrian government and Egypt just want this issue to go away. That’s why Egypt is in the process of blocking the Gaza caravan as we speak. These autocrats don’t even care about their own people, let alone foreigners thousands of miles away.
Also, there are reasons the geopolitics favor the Chinese point of view on the Uighur issue. The CPC is obviously going to care a lot more about this issue than the US does because it’s a domestic security issue. For the US it’s just a way to tarnish China’s image, which of course they want to do, but it’s not a top priority. Furthermore, the ruling class is biased towards stability. They just want to keep exploiting people and living opulent lives in peace. They’re much more likely to try to ignore or diminish these problems than actually try to solve them because that risks pissing people off which could be dangerous for them. Finally, these countries also love to oppress their own people, so they’d just as soon everyone stop talking about human rights since that would obviously be to their benefit. Talking about prison camps in another country makes them more vulnerable to looking hypocritical when they engage in domestic repression.
And finally, there’s just abundant and overwhelming evidence of human rights abuses that don’t come from the US government, which yea, is obviously dishonest. The camps can be seen in satellite imagery, and the CPC acknowledges they exist but bizarrely claim that it’s good to force huge numbers of people into concentration camps. That’s such an unserious response that I don’t feel it’s necessary to respond to.
I can't help noticing a complete absence of supporting sources for any of your claims. You have a lot to say about evidence but none to show. The US made similar claims about satelite images regarding WMDs in Iraq, those were also lies. The UN has sent teams to investigate in person repeatedly over the course of several years and found no evidence to substantiate US accusations. Your many negative and entirely unverifiable assertions about the thoughts and motives of the leaders of countries the US just happens to be hostile towards is a pretty clear indication that you're emotionally invested in our propaganda. You need to take a step back from your feelings and think critically about the difference between what you've actually seen and what you've been told that you've seen.
I don’t need a citation to demonstrate that statements from politicians are not evidence of anything—which wasn’t even relevant to the claim that the UN has rejected the claims regarding atrocities inflicted on the Uighurs, which you also never substantiated. By the way, here’s an actual UN report alleging serious human rights abuses: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932
This is an anarchist community. My disdain for politicians is not specific to the US’s adversaries. They always pursue their own interests. To understand their behavior, you need to understand their incentives, which I explained above.
But if there’s a specific claim you want a source for, let me know. None of it is particularly controversial.
"Alleging serious human rights violations" is not proof of a genocide, it's not even proof of the alleged human rights violations in question. If they had proof of anything close to a genocide they'd be alleging genocide, and if they had evidence they'd be presenting it. Accept the fact that you're not immune to propaganda and admit you've got nothing.