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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Page 151 has what you're looking for:

The reality was, of course, that Russian and later Soviet imperial rule was at least as brutal as that of other imperial powers. In their campaigns of Russification the Tsars imprisoned and exiled Finns, Ukrainians, and others who dared to practise their national language and sustain a national culture. The Communists continued the practice even more brutally under the guise of eradicating ‘bourgeois nationalism’. Large numbers of intellectuals, especially in Ukraine and the Baltic States, were killed or exiled by Stalin. Under his successors the executions were fewer but the pressures continued. Communist Parties, with their own local First Secretaries, existed in all the fifteen constituent republics of the Union save for Russia itself. Russians saw this as discrimination. In fact it was a sign that the Russians did not need their own party, since they dominated the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and exercised effective central control over the republican parties. Throughout the Soviet period discontent flared up from time to time in one or other of the constituent republics, and was brutally suppressed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The reality was, of course, that Russian and later Soviet imperial rule was at least as brutal as that of other imperial powers. In their campaigns of Russification the Tsars imprisoned and exiled Finns, Ukrainians, and others who dared to practise their national language and sustain a national culture. The Communists continued the practice even more brutally under the guise of eradicating ‘bourgeois nationalism’.

So the British ambassador asserts that the Soviets did the same thing as the Tsars but it was "more brutal." What, specifically, does "more brutal" mean here? As in, more people affected? What were the numbers? Where did he get those? Am I just expected to take his word for it?

Large numbers of intellectuals, especially in Ukraine and the Baltic States, were killed or exiled by Stalin. Under his successors the executions were fewer but the pressures continued.

This is kind of interesting considering that you've claimed that the repression was most severe under his successors.

Communist Parties, with their own local First Secretaries, existed in all the fifteen constituent republics of the Union save for Russia itself. Russians saw this as discrimination.

Where does this information come from? Were there polls on whether Russians saw this as discrimination? Or is it anecdotal/vibes based, something that the British ambassador simply assumes the Russians must have felt?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This is kind of interesting considering that you've claimed that the repression was most severe under his successors.

I claimed the russification process was more severe, not the executions. It's well known that as a part of destalinization the executions largely stopped. That doesn't mean the Union stopped promoting russification.

If you have a source that claims the opposite, feel free to share it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You're making the claims, you get the source. It's really not that hard.

You don't have a source? It's ok. Don't make claims, only repeat things you checked the source for.

No investigation, no right to speak.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I've already provided a source.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You provided a second claim from somebody else. That's not a source. Sources include verifiable facts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If you actually bothered to read the book at least a little bit, you'd have read he actually sources a fair bit.

He's also providing an eyewitness account from his time there. I'm not sure how much more primary you want to get.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago

If you had actually bothered to link the specific instances where he sources those claims, we would have read them.

But you didn't, because you probably didn't read a book you want us to go on a wild goose chase for. Eyewitness accounts from anglos are only good enough to wipe your ass with and even then there's better alternatives.

No facts then? Cool, I thought so.

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