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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (63 children)

There's a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution

Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.

Critique: with some regimes, it's not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.

Case samples:

  • US during the civil rights movement era: yes
  • USSR under Gorbachev: yes
  • Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
  • Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
  • China under Xi: practically no (not for long)
  • USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
  • Russia under Putin: no, don't even hold a blank sheet of paper
  • Iran under Khamenei: only if you're doing a bread riot
  • Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome

...etc. In some places, you can't organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it's vastly preferable. :)

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not sure you should include Gorbachev since he illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, the USSR, famous for respecting the will of the people ...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The end of East Germany was crazy precisely because it was so peaceful. A number of popular outcries in the late 80s instigated civil reforms. And then one of the defense ministers was asked on national TV in '89 "hey, does this mean we don't need the Berlin Wall anymore". He shrugged and confessed it was no longer needed. And the military took that as a signal to step aside and let the wall get torn down.

In less than six months, the country was holding free elections. And by the following year, they'd reunified.

No shots fired. A purely popular and peaceful revolution that happened practically overnight, by historical standards.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Excuse me, I have a question. Who was the leader of the USSR when this happened?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Gorbachev.

However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Gorbachev

Ah Schrödinger's Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.

However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.

Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ah Schrödinger’s Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.

What? Do you believe everyone in a country has identical political views?

That's a very naive understanding of popular politics.

Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?

The GDR was a member of the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What? Do you believe everyone in a country has identical political views?

You're a bit dim aren't you? The parent post that I replied to claimed that Gorbachev was a traitor who went against the will of the people, I said the USSR wasn't wel known for respecting the will of the people in the first place, and here you are giving an example of when the USSR actually did respect the will of the people ... when Gorbachev was in power.

So my conclusion is that Gorbachev must exist in a state of superposition, where he is both things at once.

The GDR was a member of the USSR.

What does the G in GDR stand for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I said the USSR wasn’t wel known for respecting the will of the people in the first place

The GDR was a member state of the USSR. And the dissolution of the GDR happened under Gorbachev, in a manner that did respect the public's rights.

At the same time, Gorbachev's dismantling of the USSR came in direct opposition to his communist peers, to the point where he was couped by his military leadership in an attempt to stop him.

So my conclusion is that Gorbachev must exist in a state of superposition

I know you're attempting wit, but its coming at the expense of your expressed understanding of history.

Gorbachev did, in fact, manager to govern in such a manner that he pissed off just about everyone - the Yeltsin reformists on his right flank (who froze him out of office after he survived the coup) and the Communists on his left flank (who joined him in the dust bin of history after Yeltsin sold the country off piecemeal).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

The GDR was a member state of the USSR. And the dissolution of the GDR happened under Gorbachev, in a manner that did respect the public’s rights.

The GDR is the German Democratic Republic, also known as East Germany.

It was a communist country, a member of the Warsaw pact, and aligned with the USSR, but it was not a member state of the USSR.

See also: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria.

its coming at the expense of your expressed understanding of history

See above.

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