this post was submitted on 26 May 2025
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These are DAPs, and they are ment for the audiophiles. They are not the average mp3 player. You will need also proper headphones for those.
Are they worth it? Yes, if you have money for burning.
Ain't no way it's worth it, audiophile gear is 99% placebo. It's kinda like wine, when you're past a certain price point (that's not actually that large compared to the really expensive stuff) it's all the same.
Even if you can allegedly tell the difference (I doubt it, any device playing a digital file is as good as another) there's no way it's worth at least $1,500.
Computers can play all formats but, I can hear the noise coming from my headphones when i plug them to my motherboard or to my screen.
Also good luck putting good headphones or speakers without an amplifier.
You can get an external sound card for $50-100 and get rid off all that noise and use those good headphones
If you pay more than $300 for headphones (for non-professional use) you are being taken advantage of
Digital sound processing is a solved problem and the cheapest amps run the same hardware the hifi brands sell, the QA is just worse
Apple Airpod Max costing $500+ lmao
Apple headphones have always been a scam for their price point. Sony or Sennheiser will get you significantly better sound quality at a much lower price usually.
It's $100 for good audio, $400 for brand
Yes for home a DAC and AMP is the solution. But for outside, you need something portable. DAP is the high end old mp3. But the price range of these, is enormous.
For outside you need porta pros, not studio audio
Must be a really shit board, I haven't heard any noise from a default sound card on a motherboard for more than a decade now.
Yeah shitty built-in soundcards were an issue in like 2010 at the latest. Unless you're mixing music for a living, there's not any reason to buy a dedicated soundcard anymore.
The one thing I can see is if you need some 27.1 audio format or S/PDIF out. I have a 10-metre optical cable between my PC and my stereo and a lot of the cheapest mainboards don't have optical out.
Really? i was always hearing noise from motherboards. From all computers i have used (personal or not).
motherboards, even the cheap ones have pretty damn good sound these days. I would do a pepsi challenge with $150 mobo and its sound vs pretty much anything. I very much doubt an "audiophile" could tell the difference.
My motherboard costed $300, 2 years ago. Mobos will always have shit sound due to high EMI. It got better than 10 years ago but its still low quality.
mojo costs like 400 bucks, 1500 bucks is just silly
higher-end motherboards don't have issues like that generally
Yeah, but if i am to pay $200 more for high-end motherboard just for the sound, i better buy a DAC and an AMP, lasting forever.
generally no one is buying a high-end motherboard for the sound.. its for the overall better quality and configurations, but you also don't have to worry about having shitty sound
high-end motherboards offer almost nothing important these days, for average users like me. Almost 2 years ago when i upgraded my PC i could not find a reason to go above $300. And yeah in this price range, sound is still shit.
you get high end boards for the ports and the PCIE lanes. not the sound. even cheapo boards have very decent sound these days.
Mobos have strong EMI. Even with good shielding they are worse than a cheap DAC.
Not really true. The proximity of the audio components to other components on the motherboard results in inevitable impact on the audio quality, unless it’s some special hyper shielded motherboard that I’ve yet to see. A DAC is going to sound better 9 out of 9 times than onboard audio.
this is nonsense
No, it’s not, but it’s not worth arguing over, so I’ll just leave it at what I’ve already said