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Urbit 2.0 just dropped (archive.ph)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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no excerpts yet cause work destroyed me, but this just got posted on the orange site. apparently a couple of urbit devs realized urbit sucks actually. interestingly they correctly call out some of urbit’s worst points (like its incredibly high degree of centralization), but I get the strong feeling that this whole thing is an attempt to launder urbit’s reputation while swapping out the fascists in charge

e: I also have to point out that this is written from the insane perspective that anyone uses urbit for anything at all other than an incredibly inefficient message board and a set of interlocking crypto scams

e2: I didn’t link it initially, but the orange site thread where I found this has heated up significantly since then

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

There have actually been multiple attempts at doing actual computer science from a starting point of Urbit.

Here's one I wrote up in 2017, whose proponents were so outraged at the Ethereum plan that they forked, and wrote their fork's constitution in Lojban.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Oh hey, small world; I operated a star for that fork. However, I no longer think that Urbit's codebase is worth reusing, and I've stopped participating. Instead, I developed a Hoon alternative (Cammy) and decided not to pursue Arvo compatibility.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I just want to say, as someone who's pretty well-versed in functional programming and has a decent grasp of category theory, that wiki article is absolutely impenetrable to me. I get that it's an esolang so the goal isn't a broad audience, just thought I'd share my perception. It looks very cool still, and I do want to understand it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks! For an esolang, that is a compliment. Cammy does a lot of things differently, but it's okay to just look at it as an alternative syntax for expressing diagrams. Bring your own Cartesian-closed category, etc.

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