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At first I was sceptical, but after a few thought, I came to the solution that, if uutils can do the same stuff, is/stays actively maintained and more secure/safe (like memory bugs), this is a good change.

What are your thoughts abouth this?

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 months ago (18 children)

the deGPLification of the Linux ecosystem ffs

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would love this news if it didn't move away from the GPL.

Mass move to MIT is just empowering enshittification by greedy companies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What does the license change actually mean? What are the differences?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The best example I could point to would be BSD. Unlike Linux, the BSD kernel was BSD (essentially MIT) -licensed. This allowed Apple to take their code and build OSX and a multi-billion dollar company on top of it, giving sweet fuck all back the community they stole from.

That's the moral argument: it enables thievery.

The technical argument is one of practicality. MIT-licensed projects often lead to proprietary projects (see: Apple, Android, Chrome, etc) that use up all the oxygen in an ecosystem and allow one company to dominate where once we had the latitude to use better alternatives.

  • Step 1 is replacing coreutils with uutils.
  • Step 2 is Canonical, Google, or someone else stealing uutils to build a proprietary "fuutils" that boasts better speeds, features, or interoperation with $PROPRIETARY_PRODUCT, or maybe even a new proprietary kernel.
  • Step 3 is where inevitably uutils is abandoned and coreutils hasn't been updated in 10 years. Welcome to 1978, we're back to using UNIX.

The GPL is the tool that got us here, and it makes these exploitative techbros furious that they can't just steal our shit for their personal profit. We gain nothing by helping them, but stand to lose a great deal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Thanks for your explanation.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The code can be taken and used in close source projects

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

And how does this hurt all of us who use it for open source projects?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Competitive improvements the company makes make be kept secret, re packaged, and sold without making contributions to the src code.

Basically embrace, extend, extinguish

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Imagine a contributor of the project. He would have been fixing the bug for free and give the work to the public project. Right before he submits the code change, he sees an ad from a big tech bro: "Hiring. Whoever can fix this bug gets this job and a sweet bonus." He hesitated and worked for the company instead.

Now that he is the employee of the company. He can't submit the same bug fix to the open source project because it is now company property. The company's product is bug free, and the open source counterpart remains buggy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

means it can also be captured by a corpo takeover and taken private

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It can be forked by anyone, but what is already out there will always be there.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Until you're left with choosing between an abandoned open source version and an up to date closed source blob.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Genuinely what negative ramifications could come of uutils being MIT licensed? The kernel license isn't going to change and I really don't see how companies can abuse uutils for a profit.

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