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I never got why they think these are curse words. Is it a weird religious thing?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

I mean historically there was a difference between vulgarity (saying rude stuff) and cursing (insulting/invoking disdain at people or circumstances).

People said fuck and shit (or their equivalents) etc for thousands of years, but not necessarily as cursing or insults. Mother fucker, shit head etc are much more modern, even if the words are older.

People were much more religious so saying god damn you/burn in hell etc was serious and often the thing used to curse. “What in damnation” sounds silly but it was offensive. Some people still are really religious.

Blasphemy/taking the lords name etc was a bigger deal. I know in Italy if you’re really pissed off you still say “porco dio” or god-pork/pig, it’s an absurd thing, but the severe blasphemy makes it so rude.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Endorsing this answer and adding some more info and examples.

Etymologically: blasphemy comes from ancient Greek, meaning "hurtful speech". In the Christian context, this was extended to mean impious speech, or taking God's name in vain. Euphemy, in contrast, "good speech", includes ways religious people modified these invocations against God to avoid blasphemy. Damn > darn ; God > gosh; sacré dieu (fr) > sacré bleu. Of course this is not just limited to religious speech: shit > sheesh; fuck > fudge; putain (fr) > purée.

More etymology on the terms we use to discuss these categories of words: "vulgar" = of or relating to the common people (i.e., not "polite society'). "Profanity" = religiously impure (literally "before the temple", i.e., before being consacrated).

In a state with laws which reflect this Christian tradition, blasphemy is considered impolite, antisocial, and absolutely a corruption of the youth to allow children to hear such words. This is how these words get tied in to legislation which also prohibit other vulgarities. This is why you can't say "God damn" on American public radio or tv. These laws often blanket ban the words without any mind to context. Sometimes they loosen them, however, so you might hear "damn" on the radio, but they censor the entire phrase "god damn".

Cross-culturally, common insults, vulgarities, or invectives involve invoking the taboo: what's impolite or improper to talk about in the culture? Scat/urine (shit, piss, s/cum, pissintunicus(medieval Latin), sex or sexual organs (dick, douche bag, fucker, pendejo(sp), dirtbag/scumbag (referring to a used condom)), blasphemies (go to hell, God damn you, hostie de tabernak(fr-ca)). What animals have a negative reputation (ass, cow, ayı(tr), bitch)? In what ways did you or your family break social norms (bastard)? Bonus if any of these overlap (mother fucker, ppb).

Note that a lot of profanities and insults are misogynist in origin. There are some obvious ones that refer to female genitalia or to female promiscuity, but even "Son of a bitch", "mother fucker", and "bastard", while all directed at a male referant, impugne his mother's character within the patriarchal system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Euphemy, in contrast, "good speech", includes ways religious people modified these invocations against God to avoid blasphemy. Damn > darn ; God > gosh; sacré dieu (fr) > sacré bleu.

I learned not long ago that phrases like "Jeepers Creepers!" or "Jiminy Crickets!" were euphemisms for "Jesus Christ!"

I don't know why it took me so many years to realize that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Puts a whole new spin on that Justin Long movie.

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