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Castile soap is an olive oil based hard soap made in a style similar to that originating in the Castile region of Spain. The origins of Castile soap go back to the Levant, where Aleppo soap-makers have made hard soaps based on olive and laurel oil for millennia. Early soap-makers in the Mediterranean area did not have easy access to laurel oil and therefore dropped it from their formulations, thereby creating an olive-oil soap now known as Castile soap.

In the 17th century, the soap caused controversy in England, since it supplanted the unnamed local soap after the Spanish Catholic manufacturers purchased the monopoly on the soap from the cash-strapped Carolinian government. Its ties to Catholicism caused a public-relations campaign to be established, featuring washerwomen showing how much more effective local soaps were than Castile soap. The sale of a monopoly in Protestant England to a Catholic company caused a great uproar, ending with the Castile soap company eventually being stripped of the monopoly.

Nabulsi soap is a type of castile soap produced only in Nablus in the West Bank, Palestine. Its chief ingredients are virgin olive oil (the main agricultural product of the region), water, and an alkaline sodium compound. The finished product is ivory-colored and has almost no scent. Traditionally made by women for household use, it had become a significant industry for Nablus by the 14th century. In 1907 the city's 30 Nabulsi soap factories were supplying half the soap in Palestine. Project Hope and other local non-governmental organizations market the soap in the West to raise funds for their other community projects.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

CW hostile, I'm sorry should have been more charitable did not realize the user was new, don't associate someone coming here and immediately posting to the dunk tankgood it’s mostly your fault, you should have posted it in c/strugglesession and not the dunk tank

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (22 children)

lol you're being so comically aggressive. please log off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (21 children)

like legitimately you made a post dunking on a socialist / communist perspective you disagree with that is not what the dunk tank is for

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

comrade i have nothing to do with this argument, i barely even know what you're talking about

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It’s sectarian, I don’t go and put bayarea415 or Daniel Dumbrill videos in the dunk tunk bc I don’t like/agree with them, I respect other people being able to have their own opinions, not like let’s shit on this take that other people may well think is reasonable

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So I'm out of the loop, but are you pro or anti the argument advanced in the video

Cause I'm pro-Waters and fuck any radlib, optic-baiting, red scaremongering post-berniecrat loser who thinks anything Waters said was remotely out of line

Goddamm first breath of fresh air in the mainstream media in over six months and first world motherfuckers out there talking about "EVeRYoNE LoSES" nah son fuck that spinless disingenuous shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

fuck any radlib, optic-baiting, red scaremongering post-berniecrat loser who thinks anything Waters said was remotely out of line

this is the reason there was a struggle session

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Look if ya don't want your friend in the dunk tank, tell em to stop making shitty videos

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW hostile, I'm sorryYou are hostile and sectarian

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No I'm sick of bullshit pro-estalblishment geopolitical takes getting ANY traction on what passes for a sorry ass "left" in the west

Don't care if the dipshit labels himself an ml or an anarcho, he's still an optic obessed liberal cringing at someone who has actual pro-leftist nerve and gall

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

did you watch the video from start to finish yes or no ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

First five fuckin minutes the dumbass whines about Water callin Biden a war criminal over Ukraine, cause "he's only been president for a couple years, it's not Bidens fault Russia invaded Ukraine" as if Biden wasn't Obama's vice president during Euromaiden, as if Biden's bank account isn't neck deep in Ukrainian machine politics, as if Biden isn't one of, if not the most hawkish Democrats over Russia and damn near every other US foreign policy direction in the last thirty years...

But no, because Waters doesn't qualify his take thru inane twitch debate bro antics, he's somehow "just as stupid as the liberal he's talkin to"

Bro how are you a fan of this dipshit, just his overall presentation is obnoxious and vaush-like, fuckin post-hispter berniecrart Brooklyn street Nick Mullen wannabe ass motherfucker yuck

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW Hostile, I'm sorryYou miss the point completely, but it would be hard to pick up on nuance when you go into it pre titlted so that's understandable, at least you've actually watched some of it so you have a better idea of what you're mad at.

fuckin post-hispter berniecrart Brooklyn street Nick Mullen wannabe ass motherfucker

lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You miss the point completely, but it would be hard to pick up on nuance when you go into it pre titlted so that’s understandable

Nobody cares about nuance, it's a fuckin talk show interview, all that matters is a famous person called Biden a war criminal on live TV, that's all we need from Water's, no more no less, you want "nUNcE" go watch college lectures on youtube

Also I didn't "miss" any point, your twitch-addled Nick Mullen cosplayer clearly doesn't agree with the suggestion that Biden has done anything to warrant being called a war criminal over Ukraine, and I pointed out numerous reasons why that's bullshit, if the fucker wants to whine about "nucne" then he better get his Biden history straight before he talks shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's obviously based that he called Biden a war criminal, but I think the point was mostly that Waters got there pretty much exclusively through campism and that is not based, ask him if Putin is a war criminal and you'll probably get a no even though he every clearly is given the past year. just to a much lesser degree. Obviously the West is much worse and would be better defeated and weakened by a multi polar world, but when that's your politics is "critically supporting" capitalist states to take on other capitalist states your politics boils down to harm reduction first and maybe some marxism and socialism next, but probably just mostly just west bad. He also chooses Ukraine specifically bc of this, you wouldn't hear him talking about Biden enabling Israel to genocide Palestinians as a reason he's a war criminal, bc Putin is highly complicit in that as well and both governments have cordial relations with Israel. The same with Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen, something both states are complicit in supporting.

Good luck telling the Yemenis and the Palestinians that they'll be saved by a multi polar world when both poles are against their existence and contribute to their genocide. This is where the west bad analysis is shallow , and, leads to people just siding with one less shitty government instead of actually just using marxism / socialism / materialism to come to a conclusion, and, maybe sometimes not cheer leading one side over another when both do not represent any good or your values whatsoever. Waters analysis also stops at campism, he does not advocate for any kind of socialist project and is just some rich guy who prefers Russian hegemony or multi polarity vs the lib who is just some rich guy who supports US hegemony and unipolarity, it's not bad to like that people call out the US rightfully for being bad and the great satan of this world, but you can also expect more than just saying they're bad with the exact same depth the lib puts into saying they're good. And we're communists not multipolarityists the world becomes a better place with more socialist projects, not just different factions / pecking order of hegemonic states.

You can obviously disregard all of what I've said and say west bad is a sound philosophy if you believe China is a socialist state that will take the reigns of hegemon and usher the world into an era of world socialism, and the more the west is weak the more strong China is and the faster they'll press the socialism button or something like that, but, I personally would not place all my eggs in a non interventionist state that has been flip flopping from the socialist and capitalists roads all the time. That is basically the ML (aes) justification that some people have where anti americanism and critical support can just replace critical thinking, where any state is anti imperialist if it does something that's anti west even if it meets all of Lenin's and others definitions of imperialism as long as it reduces US unipolarity and all the other details are mostly irrelevant.

Ultimately I don't think you need to take a side in interimperialist wars, and, that it's pointless and even harmful to treat west vs Russia China bloc as a spectator sport, instead of just focusing on the working class of the world, the working class of both Russia and Ukraine being much better off without this war not to mention the 100,000s of dead both Russia and the West with Ukraine being complicit in starting / prolonging the war, and, it's good to denounce imperialism and atrocities and not just constantly engage in some harm reduction where you just get a free ticket into good/bad sides analysis vs actually evaluating individual events and using your theory and critical thinking to make up your mind about it yourself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s obviously based that he called Biden a war criminal, but I think the point was mostly that Waters got there pretty much exclusively through campism and that is not based

I don't fuckin care, all I need from him is more anti-nato, anti-US and anti-biden rhetoric, the western "left" is drowning in the opposite, so don't look a gift horse in the mouth and demand ideological consistency from a goddamn artist of all things, in kinda hilarious when it's the mls being less dogmatic than whatever ultra tendency you happen to be

Good luck telling the Yemenis and the Palestinians that they’ll be saved by a multi polar world when both poles are against their existence and contribute to their genocide

This is so fuckin dumb, you do realize Yemenis and Palestinians are being genocided under the current uni-polar world, so positing some ahistorical hypothetical about future genocide is pretty disingenuous, yeah I'd like to see how Israel and Saudi Arabia fair without US arms, funding, intelligence and the dominance of the petrodollar, ask any Yemenis and Palestinian which world they would rather fight their struggle in.

Russia can invade Ukraine, but do you think it can pull off an Iraq War? A total sanction of Iran or Cuba? A Libya? A drone war in Pakistan? A shadow war in the Sahel? Hundreds of billions in arms and funds divvied out to 15 dictators year after year? All of that simultaneously?

And we’re communists not multipolarityists the world becomes a better place with more socialist projects, not just different factions / pecking order of hegemonic states.

See this right here is where the ultras utterly lose the plot, historically communist and socialist struggles have always advanced under the rubric of the multipolar world, the opposite is a uni-polar world which always implies a hegemonic superpower, which is NOT a communist goal, ideally, practically, or socially, we want multiple experiments out there, regional blocs breaking up the supply chains that feed global capital, the creation of independent networks able to advance the project thru understanding ** local conditions** not blindly following the lead of some western theorists halfway around the world

Ultimately I don’t think you need to take a side in interimperialist wars, and, that it’s pointless and even harmful to treat west vs Russia China bloc as a spectator sport, instead of just focusing on the working class of the world,

Ok well that leads all the way back to the original point, it's kinda hard to "FOCUS" on the "working class of the world" when we're dealing with the reality of US global hegemony every second of the day, US imperialism isn't some specter mls made up to distract them from the "The Great Socialist Revolution" it's a concrete global phenomenon that will fuck your shit up if not dealt with, there's no opt out option here

The US is the underwriter, the guarantor, the Sheriff and the mob boss of global capital, ultras constantly trip head first into idealism tryin to ignore this reality, as if this were 1929, and we're just dealin with a gaggle of decaying empires and then those darn new fangled Soviets who don't want to the push the communism button, those bloody revisionists....fuckin nonsense, live in the real world or don't

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW Hostile. I'm sorry

I don’t fuckin care, all I need from him is more anti-nato, anti-US and anti-biden rhetoric, the western β€œleft” is drowning in the opposite

"I waste my time reading bad takes on reddit and twitter and I'm gonna base my ideology in opposition to them"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine existing in this day and believing propaganda doesn't matter, the only thing Waters has going for him is he's famous, that's all I want or need from him

Also reddit/twitter is a better place to get takes then Twitch, just sayin

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW Hostile. I'm sorrythe "tankie" proletariet is for sure mostly on twitter and reddit lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Marxism-Leninism is the dominant political and social movement everywhere in the globe not dominated by parasitic imperialists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW hostile, I'm sorry

I don’t fuckin care, all I need from him is more anti-nato, anti-US and anti-biden rhetoric, the western β€œleft” is drowning in the opposite, so don’t look a gift horse in the mouth and demand ideological consistency from a goddamn artist of all things, in kinda hilarious when it’s the mls being less dogmatic than whatever ultra tendency you happen to be

and it's back to sectarianism :rosa-salute: you will receive your social credit score and Xi bucks in the mail shortly

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is basically the ML (aes) justification that some people have where anti americanism and critical support can just replace critical thinking, where any state is anti imperialist if it does something that’s anti west even if it meets all of Lenin’s and others definitions of imperialism as long as it reduces US unipolarity and all the other details are mostly irrelevant.

Strawmanning other tendencies with ridiculous caricatures is sectarian, I never hit first, but push me I'll push back :shrug-outta-hecks:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CW Hostile. I'm sorryWhen you say Russia invading a country is somehow antiimperialist that is is the face of the most popular and regarded definitions of imperialism, and, that is a common take, I don't think that would be disputed. A better word for it would be anti west, but anti imperialism makes you sound smarter and less campist

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Where are the people on Hexbear who say that Russia invading Ukraine is anti-Imperialist?

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