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is ok, is a lot going on atm
Okay yeah that's actually on me. I thought I was on my post about Discovery, not this one, which had a different vibe entirely. I totally goofed and I apologize.
That being said... Kelvin Trek I will let slide far more given it's a movie. Most of them are pretty brash with a lot of visuals, action and explosions. Definitely different but I like them for what they are.
Picard I cannot fucking stand the first two seasons of but they still do try to talk our their problems about as often as they try to bash them out. Season 1 has Picard running about trying to figure out whats going on but at the end he's still trying to resolve things with words more so than anything else. But the resolution of both Season 1 and Season 2 of Picard end because people decided to talk as opposed to blow each other up.
In other Star Treks, you have a 'monster of the week' type deal where the issue that you're going to solve that week isn't likely to ever come up again. You can fast track development there and be able to talk people down, especially when you're an outsider coming in for a short period. When it comes to serialized shows they still do the same thing where they talk people down, it is just over a longer period of time. Having to whittle away at someone. You still see that whittling in old Trek. Sometimes there will be engagements in between talks or they will have to fire to get someone to actually listen. The only difference is that because they're dealing with a smaller timeframe over all, they have to spend a smaller amount of that on those conflicts. Picard was able to stretch that out over a longer period of time to get to the point of discussion being the answer to their problems.
Season 1 has Riker show up with a massive fleet of shitty CGI copy/paste ships to go against the equally shitty Romulan fleet but they only existed as a stalemate to force conversation.
Season 2 has the borg showing up and everyone freaking the fuck out. But that Borg threat was neutralized by two people getting along, in a manner of speaking. Jurati and the Borg Queen infected each other and created a sort of new "strain" of Borg with its own collective. But the conversation that they have at the end of Season 2 is what seals that conflict, not a fight.
The Kelvin timeline... yeah those are harder to argue. Most of it is just action but like I said, they're movies so I don't care that much about them. I mean that for all Trek movies. I'm more of a show dweeb.
Again I am endlessly sorry that I acted like a fucking fool. That is completely on me for not verifying where I was. I was responding to two different comments in the two different threads and just sort of forgot that this was a different post entirely. No ones fault but mine for my own stupidity.
Don't worry about it, like in my edit there is a lot going on the macro scale and i can imagine anyone that enjoys star trek is feeling the strain (streign?).
yeah i know the Kelvins are movies and you gotta give it more lax because movies need to hit wider audiences to justify the large budgets, that being said a low budget movie made by A24 in the trek universe would be something might actually go to the cinema to go see.
I feel the end of one is misguided because the AI hole monster is still like a thing? i mean i'm not going to lie the picard gollum lives rent free in my brain so when i try to remember what happened to the AI Tenticles from another dimension I think they just closed it but i feel like that still could be an issue, felt like dealing with the symptoms not the root issue? Also yeah the terrible CGI ships don't help me remember that ending.
I would argue there is something very toxic about the borg queen & Jurati's relationship but we know very little so i may be just imprinting bad experiences with codependcy. But season 2 is time travel so its like did all that version of the borg already exist or was it different and then i have to stop thinking cause at this point i think time travel in Star trek is only damaging things, though it's like pandora's box, you can't close it now. Season 2 also hits hard because some of the subject matter follows a pattern of irl things happening in my childhood & i think it was mishandled in that season. like as a kid watching trek i'd clung onto the thought that if i'd been around in trek times things may have played out different cause we were better as a whole but season 2 kinda poorly inserted that but again i may be marred by my own experiences?
took me a long time to write this cause mobile, some subject matter stuff & retrospective on picard (honestly got really confused trying to remember the series as its all over the place in what its trying to do). So, sorry for slow reply!