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Wait, it's not the material on the Pans?
That's the first part, used correctly it's a non issue so just use your nonstick correctly.
Using nonstick correctly: Dont use anything but silicone spatulas on it, do not use more than 50% of your stoves power or gas stove or you will get cancer and die. Buy a new one every 5 years anyway since it somehow became stick pan.
Using stainless pan: Find it from some junk metal pile, discover it was manufactured in the roman empire, give it a good scrub. Use it on any source imaginable and when hawk thuah slides around instead of sizzles, it's good to go.
Source on the pan giving you cancer?
Yes, non-stick becomes stick because the teflon coating comes off, it's really hard to make teflon stick to anything. Using metal utensils will hasten this but afaik simply using heat will help loosen the teflon coating.
I don't mind buying a new non-stick pan about every 5 years (last one lasted 7), I usuall stick to the cheapest ones, they serve a specific service to me that stainless ones can't do.
Are you really asking "provide proofs of a pan I am warned to not heat up too much as the vapours will cause flu like symptoms and kill pet avians is bad for my health." is bad for you? It is. Why do you think you need to buy new pans every x years? Cause the non-stick layer wears off. Do bits of coating that contain top tier carciogens which are considered safe unless ingested magically vanish into the void? Yes. Except the void is your body.
I have been relying on my teflons less and less the more I get good with the stainless. I've now been making crepes and japanese omlets with less sticking than my few years old teflons.
Afaik the coating is not a carcinogen only under certain circumstances like high heat can it produce something unsafe but even there it's just potential, not yet proved to be carcinogenic but feel free to prove me wrong.
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/chemicals/teflon-and-perfluorooctanoic-acid-pfoa.html It says it ssafe since it's tightly bound to the pan. I guess its true, its completely 100% safe. After all, there is no reason for anyone who owns a non stick pan to ever buy a new one since they keep being nonstick for generations, right? Surely even if you treat your pan just as they say, it means the coating doesn't wear off, right? And us educated people we know once something wears via abrasion it means it leaves behind no residue, right?
Are we reading the same article? It doesn't say it's bound to the pan. Why bother to choose a source that you don't read and disagrees with you?
It is bound to the pan. It is the non stick layer.
Now, do non stick pans stay non stick forever? Why do non stick pans fail to stay non stick? What happens to the non stick coating and where does it go when it is no longer bound to the pan?
I'm out of my element here but my understanding is that the chemicals in the FDA article are not the non stick layer, it was used in creating it and is bound to it. While I wouldn't suggest eating it (the coating) and can be harmful when heated to levels uncommon (but not impossible) in a kitchen environment there's no proof that teflon dishes can increase the chance of cancer.
No proof for now but everything causes cancer.
https://wellwisp.com/non-stick-pan-and-cancer/
The part you quoted says nothing about cancer, article only mentions potential risks with no evidence and no article cited. I'm sorry but articles like these are why people believe chocolate cures cancer or sitting down is as bad as smoking.
I don't claim there's no connection but so far I've seen no evidence.
I don’r know why you’re downvoted. That’s not an unfair assessment of the article. I offered it more as inference that the release of toxins when overheating the material is releasing potentially carcinogenic toxins. I take the view that what effectively amounts to burning many materials releases carcinogens and toxins, particularly man-made materials.
https://www.propublica.org/article/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-inside-story
This is an article about a factory right? Not exactly the same conditions as cooking with a pan.
buying a pan increases demand for that item, which then gets built in those factories that then pollute the water you drink and the air you breathe. So yeah, they're directly correlated.
I bought a cheap stainless pan about 20 years ago. Don't have issues with food sticking, don't have to worry abouy coatings coming off, and if the handle breaks I can make a new one.
Coating breaks down, stainless doesn't.
I have a mix of stainless steel and cast iron. I'm not terribly worried about consuming small amounts of either of those.
A bonus is that because it's all metal I can use most of it in ovens or while cooking outdoors.
Sticking isn't really that much of an issue if you're careful. I feel like non-stick would've never taken off if people knew how toxic it was in 1970.