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It seems to first come from MRA spaces, but then I seen some TERFs co-opt it, and even the FDS subreddit uses some of that logic?

Is this really interpretation people are getting from nature? I did see FDS, and TERFs try to compare humans to bee social structures which is a weird take.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Under capitalism everyone is disposable. Protecting your community is a collective activity, which most people have no language to process the concept of. So if men are expected to be protectors under capitalism, being part of a disposable collective is pretty accurate. The real delusion is in asserting that they’re the primary or even sole source of disposable labor

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

These people don't apply it to labor though, it's usually about, you guessed it, procreation. A woman can only have one child at a time, but a man can impregnate many women at once. Not that this is how any society has ever organized itself (except upper classes keeping harems etc.) but we don't care about facts, we only care about wild speculation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Yeah it’s fundamentally sexist and illogical. That’s why they have to talk about the “natural state” of humans to evoke the proper reaction in the first place. I was just trying to point out where those fundamental feelings come from that end up latching into the sexist extrapolations