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PATO: The Pacific and Atlantic Treaty Organization

Their cooperation is forcing NATO to build closer ties with like-minded countries in the Indo-Pacific. For the first time, senior officials from Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan took part in a meeting with NATO defense ministers in Brussels on Thursday.

They baddies are “forcing” NATO into this. The poor imperial core, being dragged around again. #AlwaysTheSameMap

Citations Needed podcast: The Always Stumbling US Empire: "Stumbling", "sliding", "drawn into" war––the media frequently assumes the US is bumbling its way around the world. The idea that the United States operates in “good faith” is taken for granted for most of the American press while war is always portrayed as something that happens to the US, not something it seeks out.

Also, doesn’t “CRINK” already have a name, the Axis of Resistance?

Anyway, death to POTATO.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Why would you support any side if you know both are inherently bad?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Two things can be bad without being bad in the same way or at the same scale.

The Imperial core—which claims to be the model for and bringer of freedom and democracy—is far worse by comparison. Its actions over generations belie its words: it doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone’s freedom. Those not its core values; those are its excuses, its rationalizations, its cover story for imperialism, for “full-spectrum dominance.” They’re a neocolonial re-branding of the old colonial “bringing Christianity/civilization to the savage races” rationalizations.

Just one small example. The National for Endowment for Democracy isn’t about promoting democracy. It’s a CIA cut-out for enacting regime changes. Take it from Allen Weinstein, cofounder of the NED, “Much of what we do today was done 25 years ago by the CIA.”

The blueprint of regime change operations

Our governments and corporate media don’t tell us about the plight of Iranian women because they give a shit about them, or because it’s exceptionally bad. They don’t care about Iranian women any more than the Palestinian women they’re aiding & abetting the genocide of. Women’s rights in Saudi Arabia are arguably even worse, but the media aren’t going to talk about their plight, because our governments consider Saudi Arabia aligned with their interests. “National interests” aren’t our interests: they’re the interests of the capitalist class. The enemies of my government, which has only ever represented the wealthy[1], are not necessarily my enemies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

First of all sorry for any spelling error or smth, english is not my native language and i struggle a lot to express 😅

I kind of understand your way of reasoning in this affair, you seem to apply the principle of the lesser of two evils and i don't deny that NATO is by far worse than their enemies, but then wouldn't liberals also be in the right when they support the "lesser of two evils"?.

In any case i don't find correct to support any side but the working class , and let me tell you that i don't think that the Russian, Chinese, Iranian, ... , goverment care about them more or less than the west care about the working class, after all they're still capitalist countries.

I just think is kinda dummy to support this or that side of the bourgeoisie just because it opposes the one you hate the most.

Again sorry if it's weirdly written haha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I kind of understand your way of reasoning in this affair, you seem to apply the principle of the lesser of two evils and i don’t deny that NATO is by far worse than their enemies, but then wouldn’t liberals also be in the right when they support the “lesser of two evils”?.

Without touching the rest of it, the idea is not to support the lesser evil, but to support what is historically progressive despite its negative elements. If two things are both a net bad but there is a lesser evil, it is generally a better answer to support neither.

All of the "CRINK" countries have negative elements -- particularly Russian chauvinism and Iranian theocracy -- but the Axis of Resistance's overall operations tend towards multilateral internationalism rather than domination by a single superpower like NATO favors.

P.S. as davel said, your English is great

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