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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Electric cars don't solve a lot of the root problems of cars. They still require massive amounts of energy to move thousands of pounds of steel. They also still rely on sprawling roads and parking lots.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Electric motors are between 95 and 98% efficient, while ICEs are in the 80's on a good day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

You are aware that electric trains also use electric motors, just like electric cars do, right? And you are aware that electric cars rely on an electric battery while electric trains rely primarily on overhead electric power lines, are you?

That means cars require one extra component and an extra conversation of energy which trains don't need. Every conversation of energy reduces efficiency of the final outcome. The more conversations, the less efficiency.

Trains use: power lines -> electric motor
Cars use: power lines -> electric battery -> electric motor

Furthermore, bigger machines can be built to be more efficient than smaller ones. So bigger motors can use (electric) fuel more efficiently than smaller motors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not to say trains are not more efficient than cars, because they are for a myriad of reasons. But electric motors scale relatively linear to my extent of knowledge, so usually it just ends up being that trains use many motors instead of one big motor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the info, I didn't know how exactly this works, but I was aware that this factor is different for each device.

Thinking about it I guess that explains why small electric motor powered devices exist often while small combustion powered devices are rare? The only items I can come up with are forestry/gardening devices, tools for cooking and I guess lanterns. With the latter only using the heat/light and not actually moving anything.

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