Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


Posting Guidelines

All posts should follow this basic structure:

  1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
  2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
  3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
  4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
  5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

Rules


Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.


Some acronyms you might see.


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Not really "powertripping". Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org... I've unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can't dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930's "tolerating" fascism, and the Nazi's killed over 100 million people. Don't make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

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UPDATE: He deleted the community. Good.


I'm probably an asshole sometimes. When people act like bullies or Nazis, I tell them to fuck off. I'm no saint. I do try to be fair, and also brutally honest. Here's my personal modlog. I have nothing to hide.

A defense of my modlog...OpinionHavers was a place for trolls and right wingers to spout shitty opinions.

Raccoon is a Lemmy app. Someone posted a screenshot of their search, saying they couldn't find the app on F-Droid. I pointed out that they spelled "Raccoon" wrond since it has two Cs, and got my comment removed by the mod for being "annoying". LOL! I was literally pointing out the problem with their search. 🤦‍♂️ I still can't believe this one! They also removed another comment where I asked someone why they didn't just edit their original comment to correct an error instead of only doing so in a reply to a reply, since it was confusing people. That one got removed too. This all happened within minutes of each other. That's when I said "Fuck this community" because the mod and app author was just so heavy-handed. I can't even tell someone their search was misspelled? Talk about PTBs...

I'm certain the "hot glue" thing was a joke and not an attack, Although I don't remember the context. I sure it was posted as a joke question, and not a suggestion that someone do it like an insult. It only got removed as "gross".

That SPH sub was some kind of roleplaying sub. Or maybe they're taking themselves seriously. I don't know. But I gave a roleplaying answer that said, "don't click this link, it's a virus" that op had posted and I got banned. Ok.

In c/technology, someone said I sounded like in "ad" when I listed what I liked about YouTube Premium, and they said I triggered their "uncanny valley response" and then said "never do that again". Which was kind of weird and ticked me off a little. So to prove I wasn't a bot, I said, "Would it help if I said, 'fuck off'?"

That picture towards the end was because someone kept posting the same insult over and over again, so I screenshotted their profile and shared it as a reply saying they need to come up with a new insult. Here's the picture:

I don't see why that was removed. They were being a dick.

At any rate, I don't think I'm a real asshole. Not usually. Go look at my post history. No one's perfect, and I'm certain 99.9% of my post history is funny, informative, and a good contribution to Lemmy.

Trying to be fair and brutally honest is why I got banned.

ITAP on Lemmy.world is modded exclusively by Stamets. He's a mod of several communities and heavy user of Lemmy. He's really active.

He created the community and named it "ITAP" after the subreddit of the same name. The point of that original subreddit is to post OC photos. It's right in the name. But his community rules specifically say that you can post non-OC. I find that a little weird, but it's okay. His community, his rules.

Here are the rules for his ITAP:

ITAP Sidebar rulesWelcome to /c/ITAP, a place to share any photos you may have taken or seen that you think others would enjoy! It does not need to be OC, it just needs to be a photo that you think is beautiful and worth sharing.

Rule 1: No bigotry or discrimination.

Rule 2: No photos of politicians or political rallies.

Rule 3: Keep it civil.

Rule 4: Add OC or Not OC to the title.

Rule 5: NSFW posts are allowed provided they’re marked as such.

Rule 6: AI generated art isn’t allowed but a low level of digital touching/enhancing is fine

Rule 7: You don’t like the name. I don’t care. The community is called the way it is because I decided to do so. It is almost as if the word took could be used in different ways, such as physically taking the image yourself or storing a copy of the image that you found pleasing. If you have a problem with this, feel free to set up your own community. You may not feel free to openly whine and insult the community or the mods simply because you disagree with it.

Wow, rule #7 is new, I swear, and I feel like it's specifically calling me out. That's funny! I didn't insult him. Well, maybe I did. You can read my original comment below. Rule #4 must be new, too because Stamets hasn't been following it, which is the whole point of this post.

Stamets posts a photo about every day and none of them are his and none are tagged "Not OC". Invariably, he gets comments like "Wow, gorgeous photo! How did you take that?". Or "Great shot! What’s the story of this boat?" He doesn't reply to any of them to eliminate their confusion. Not once. I checked.

That last one was an actual comment, and after seeing so many of these comments day after day, I finally decided to say something. ~~I wish I could copy my comment, but Lemmy doesn't let me see it because Stamets didn't technically remove it. I think banning me merely hides all of my comments, and I can't copy it from the modlog because it isn't there. I'll try to summarize. It was like 3 paragraphs.~~

I can see it now, so here it is. It appears he "unremoved" my comment, but removed all of my other ones. It's not even inflammatory. It's just "resigned".

I keep seeing comments like this with no reply, and it bugs me. Stamets doesn’t take any of the pictures he posts here, so he can’t answer these questions and just ignores them. ☹️

I guess itap has no meaning. At first I thought I’d start posting here to encourage more people to do the same, but I’ve changed my mind. I’m going to delete my one post and block this community.

Stamets’ posting of non-OC in a community called “I Took a Picture” is akin to ~~stolen valor.~~ [EDIT: It was dumb to say that, and I'm sorry. I just meant stealing praise.] It’s his community, so he can do whatever he wants, I guess. Just post in pics, @[email protected], and let itap be itap. Or don’t. I don’t really care. But by copying this community from reddit, and violating its core principal by making up your own rules, I feel like you’re tricking the Lemmy community in some way. It’s dumb.

Is that insulting? Really? I guess I did call his use of the name ITAP dumb. He banned me, saying I was creating "unnecessary drama". He changed the title to say "Not OC". It wasn't there originally. Here's the post: https://lemmy.world/post/25565845

[EDIT: To his credit, it's probably silly of me to complain about being banned from a community I said I was blocking. It is. But it's the principle of it. I actually forgot I had said that until I was able to see this comment today. I never ended up blocking the community. All I saw is that I was banned today. But now that I've seen his reaction to this criticism, I'm not taking this post down. I still think my criticisms are valid, and seeing him slander me in the comments with false narratives makes me even more upset about him and how he handles things.]

Turns out, he made just a sticky post about this: https://lemmy.world/post/25582946 trying to defend himself and his community's name. "I made /c/ITAP for myself and by myself." Well, that's a really weird reason to make a public internet community. 🤷

I don't really buy the whole "took" pun thing. Then again, it's kind of clever, even if really obscure. But it was never in the sidebar until today, that I remember seeing. As for not even acknowledging that he created this community's name as a direct copy of Reddit's community... That's an odd position to take.

Am I an asshole for telling him that posting non-OC in ITAP and not labeling it is like stolen valor? Am I really creating unnecessary drama? I'm definitely creating more by posting here! 😂

Update: It looks like he edited some of his submissions to say "Not OC" to follow his new Rule #4. Good! Now I feel like I've made a positive change and I don't feel like an asshole at all. I feel like I took one for the team for making that community slightly better. I had seen so many of those kinds of comments praising "his" photos. I don’t feel like I deserve a ban when he changed to rules to fix exactly what I was talking about. My comment clearly had merit.

I don't need or want any remedy. Although, if he gave up moderating ITAP and let it be a community in the spirit of the one he copied, the spirit that seemingly everyone thinks it has, that'd be great. It's never gonna happen, though. ~~He could apologize for taking criticism so badly, but I doubt he'd ever do that, either.~~ [EDIT: To be fair, I did call his community "dumb".] If you look at some of the comments he's made in defense of the Star Trek show he's named after, and comments he's removed for spurious reasons, I think you'd come to the same conclusion that he's just your average PTB.

The kind of comments Stamets lets stand without any response:

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/15094272

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14791492

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14647577

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14626113

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/13422232 (The top comment is removed. I think someone asked about this photo, they were told it's not OC, and... well, you can see the reply. Again, it's not just me.)

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/13424089

I guess that's all of them. I don't see any posts older than 3 months. I can't find any example of him actually answering questions like this, despite what he says in these comments. Those are just the ones asking questions. The one's containing only praise could be seen as general praise and not targeted at Stamets necessarily. I didn't link any of those, but he doesn't reply to those either. Yet any time he sees someone criticize the community's name he bans them. So he's clearly reading comments!

Do you see the pattern here? Stamets posts a photo. People comment on it and ask questions. Stamets ignores them. I have a really hard time believing he was too busy each and every time to reply and eliminate the commenter's confusion and admit it wasn't OC. So that's why I said what I said when I made my exit. I don't even care that I was banned. I was leaving anyway. It's just the principle of it. I never ended up blocking the community, though.

Stamets' reaction to this thread

Down below in this post's comments, Stamets keeps pushing this narrative that I was "jumping between multiple threads", "creating drama", and "stirring up shit" by making "numerous comments across numerous posts". This is such an exaggeration that it constitutes slander.

So I'm going back through my comments to see what I ever said in that community. There was no drama other than in Stamets' mind. All of my comments were upvoted. None were inflammatory. They are now all removed. Whenever I mentioned the non-OC thing, it was in reply to someone else bringing it up, and it was only two posts. (Besides my last comment up above.)

Stamets said:

you made numerous comments across numerous posts

you were jumping from thread to thread and creating unnecessary drama

They were removed for jumping between multiple threads and stirring shit up

a littany of repeated comments throughout multiple posts

I was tired of clicking on multiple posts and seeing them complain

none of them were being constructive in anyway whatsoever

And slandering me in general:

Going around randomly calling users assholes and saying fuck this community and just stirring shit up left right and center? [emphasis mine]

Childish and immature behavior that is openly display throughout the entire of their modlog and posting history.

And that... that really pisses me off. It's one thing to disagree with my assessment of this interaction, or to be petty and ban me, but to lie about my use of the ITAP community and to slander me in general, that crosses a line. I have half a mind to report this behavior to the lemmy.world admins. This is not how mods should behave.

Again, I challenge anyone to read my comment and post history and see if this narrative fits me, including my modlog which I linked to above (and tried to explain my actions in each case).

My other comments in the community

I'm putting them all in a spoiler because this is getting long. I just feel I had to defend myself against Stamets' slander.

My only comments in the communityStarting 4 days days ago, I had a conversation to help someone learn how to post images directly to Lemmy instead of imgur.

Pretty!

Just so you know, Lemmy can host images directly. It's a lot nicer than having to go to a third party site to view them.

They mentioned only using a browser and suggested an add-on to make it easier to view photos. I replied:

I use the Thunder app on Android to browse Lemmy, and a lot of other people use apps, too. Your post doesn't even get a thumbnail, so we don't know what we're going to see until we click it, and it requires us to view the link in a webview that takes significantly longer to load, and imgur is kinda ugly. Meanwhile, Lemmy hosted images are downloaded and cached automatically and load almost instantly when tapped.

Just my thoughts. Using the built-in image hosting is free, and has benefits for Lemmy users.

They said didn't know how to upload images to Lemmy, so I took the time to explain, with screenshots:

There's an image button when editing a comment:

Or when creating a post, there's a separate field for adding an image. You can add additional images to the post body, same as a comment.

(I'm always trying to help people use Lemmy better. You will find tons of comments in my history with me explaining markdown to people and how to use it better.)


Two days ago, I posted a photo of a concert and answered questions about it. Commenters made jokes, I interacted with the jokes and posted a second photo. A good time was had by all. I erased these comments entirely and can't copy them now. This is because I had seen the last straw and, I decided I didn't want my content there any more.


4 days ago, someone posted some OC and another person commented, "Finally some fucking OC. I love it." (See? Not just me.)

I replied:

Agreed. I'd rather this comm be dead than be full of random non-OC. I mean, I get it, it's a chicken and egg problem. No one's going to use the comm if no one uses the comm. It needs content so people even see it in their feed, but I'd honestly rather it be full of average OC than professional images from the web. It totally defeats the point of "I took a picture". Stamets could have just posted a bunch of average OC instead of 5-star web images until it picked up. I dunno. Just my two cents.

Not being dramatic. Not stirring up shit. I was replying to someone with the same thoughts as me. The sidebar before today never explained his pun on "took" (that I know of), so everyone was confused on the name of the community. This is why I mentioned the community name making no sense for non-OC content.

Then the OP of that post also replied to that comment: "I thought this place was all OC? Anyway, that’s all I’ll post, OC only." Again, it's not just me who gets confused by the name! Most of us came from reddit, and we all knew what ITAP was.

I was already in this conversation, so I replied again:

From the name one would think, but no.

From the sidebar:

Welcome to /c/ITAP, a place to share any photos you may have taken or seen that you think others would enjoy! It does not need to be OC, it just needs to be a photo that you think is beautiful and worth sharing.

Isn't that what /c/pics is for?

I guess that's "stirring shit up" and "creating drama", right?


That's it. Those are all of my comments, ever. All I did was reply to people expressing the same confusion as me. I wasn't particularly inflammatory. I was just saying I'd rather see OC then non-OC in "I Took a Picture". Until I saw yet another person thinking Stamets' photo was OC. Then I just wanted to quit. But I didn't get that choice, because Stamets immediately banned me.

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okay listen up because i am telling you something

my excellent post got removed with no reason given so that has to be a mistake right i mean it was a relevant popculture post in the popculture community look i even asked two authorities on the matter and they said it would be okay

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now heres the thing

im worried jeff wants me dead and what if im wrong and what if unruffled and iii are deepstate agents who played a trick on me and i get banned over this excellent post that would make jeff a power trippin bastard can you believe it just look at what this sick bastard has said in the past

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clearly lusting for violence and blatantly admitting to participating in disinformation campaigns against his own users


so if jeff wakes up and removes my post please avenge me we cant let them just bulldoze us like this we have to stand up and fight for the truth we have to fight for ourselves and for each other and most of all we have to fight for our rights to post in other peoples communities and not be banned


no downvoting this post all downvoters will be banned from my community

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likely in response to my comments on the beehaw post, which i linked to (hopefully im doing this right?). apparently, calling people you dont know for the first time "they/them" before being told their pronouns is "misgendering". absurd. this kind of attitude threatens the larger LGBTQ community and is partially why cishets hate us after we won so much progress back in the 00s and 10s.

im a queer person. im neurodivergent. this shit is so goddamn fucking annoying, especially as an older queer who got physically assaulted on a near daily basis for being queer in the 90s. the kids today get their panties in a twist over being supposedly "misgendered" by someone calling them gender neutral pronouns before being corrected. narcissistic victimhood bullshit.

anyways, now banned from one of my favorite instances. meanwhile in the US theyre planning on hunting us. but yeah, lets ban fellow queers over their view that people who get mad about being "misgendered" when they arent (cis people are also referred to as "they/them" before further context in a conversation with a stranger) are just attention seeking brats that threaten the larger movement. its so obvious to me that the brats who find reason to be offended over innocent pronoun use never faced real adversity, like getting repeatedly physically beaten.

edit - the best part of all of this is i faced no moderation from beehaw and all of my comments are +1 or higher. power tripping oversensitive neurodivergent hating bastard of a mod over at blahaj IMO.

edit 2 - did this wrong. heres a link to the post i think got me banned from blahaj and a screenshot about it https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37659465

Edit 3 - apparently I did nothing wrong until I made my thoughts known about how the pronoun police fucked over the larger LGBTQ community as our rights are backsliding in America. Yall are gonna whine about being misgendered to the concentration camp guards at the rate we’re going. God forbid I be angry that while queers were busy fighting over pronouns our adversaries stuffed the courts, stuffed the school boards, couped the government, and are installing a fascist dictatorship. When I say that these fucking toddlers are going to learn what real oppression tastes like, that’s what I mean. It’s not that I want us to be hurt or oppressed (as the dog piling idiots have interpreted), it’s that the younger generation is weak as hell and lost the fucking plot in the fight for our rights. I grew up getting beaten in the streets for being queer only for these kids to claim their pronouns not being mind-read is oppression!

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So, I saw a report from one of my users. They reported:

https://ponder.cat/post/1594852/1813842

For the reason:

Unreasonable fighting with everyone in every simple post

I think that's ridiculous, so I talked with them about it. Posting private communications is frowned upon I guess, but long story short, they weren't receptive. I've decided to ban the account.

IMO the general culture on Lemmy is that users are entitled to their free account and everyone needs to be careful and circumspect about limiting that entitlement in any way, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's a requirement for me to provide hosting space for anyone who wants to use my stuff as a jumping-off point for abuse of Lemmy's systems, and isn't apologetic or receptive when I talk with them about not doing that. The fact that it's in service of harassing FlyingSquid in particular is just icing on the cake, since my perception is that people like to harass him apparently for no legitimate reason at all (with this as an example).

AITA?

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The community’s sidebar doesn’t list a single rule so I don’t know how they expect to get users to fall in line if it’s completely unspoken.

Anyway this is a rare case of a very tiny community where no one is getting hurt so it’s not a huge deal. But if you plan on discussing news using any kind of acronym I guess don’t go there lmao.

Thoughts welcome! Am I missing something?

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I don't troll. At all. What I do is post various comments encouraging a community to not get angry as hell about a change but to make the best out of it. That's what happened when 196 decided to port over from blahaj.zone to lemmy.world. I made a bunch of fairly long comments that were talking about how people shouldn't be angry and just leaving toxic comments but fueling a better community, whether that be here or elsewhere. Comments went fairly well and all was fine and left up for a while but a couple of days after being posted they were removed along with everything else that I had posted to that community. The mods list the reason in the modlog for my permanent ban as "trolling". There are many things I do, but trolling isn't one of them. Especially when the comment sections are left in a state here showing that I wasn't trolling.

I went through everything that I did with that community and cannot find a singular thing with the exception of a memory.

I had posted a meme a couple of weeks ago. I don't remember exactly what it was but I remember a moderator saying on it an hour or two after posting that it should be marked as NSFW. I disagreed with this assessment. I left a comment in response saying that I disagreed that it should be marked and that I would refuse to mark it as NSFW. However, I also respect that it is their community and their rules so I settled for something different. I didn't add an NSFW tag, I just deleted it wholesale. I didn't want to add a tag to something that I didn't feel was applicable and instead of having to sit with that tag on the post, I just deleted the post entirely.

So this only leaves two options from the mods of 196.

Either they banned me for posting comments that were supportive of the community itself and not directly supportive of them or they banned me for deleting a post.

In either case? The moderators of [email protected] are no better than reddit moderators who just lash out for their own ego. Blanket bans for disagreements.

And perhaps unsurprisingly and perfectly fitting of every single accusation that has been levied so far against them and their abusive practices, the last moderator to interact with me was @[email protected].

I find it fucking hysterical how the mods over there are so vehemently Anti-Trump (and should be given the userbase and content) but act no better than someone in his administration.

Edit: I found the post about it being NSFW after going through Moss' profile but unsurprisingly Moss had to go ahead and suppress my comment there as well. It's remarkable how much of their profile is just whining about being treated unfairly while they're going ahead and treating people unfairly. But of course, Moss (being a redditor) had to go ahead and downvote before the removal of the post. Fragile... jesus.

As for how I feel it should be remedied, Moss should step down or at least be removed as a mod on Lemmy.world. They've done nothing for the community that hasn't been insanely divisive as of late. They seem to be remarkably tonedeaf and just openly abusing their position.

Update

@[email protected] went to the community and straight up asked why I was banned. For the record I didn't ask for this or anything and was completely blindsided when I got a notification in my inbox. But a mod over there did respond with this:

So I'm unbanned from the community because a mod could find no reason that made sense why I was banned.

Tell me how that doesn't unilaterally prove that Moss was indeed just banning people over petty ass reasons?

Update 2: Ages later I get pinged about a comment. @[email protected] is outright lying about me and claiming that they have banned me for being transphobic in the past. My modlog is completely clear and free of ANY such removals or bans. This has literally never happened and they're just making shit up about me now to try and justify a ban after the fact.

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https://lemmy.world/post/25206083

edit: changed image links to embeds Modlog 1 Modlog 2 Modlog 3 Modlog 4

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Yes, I think that the idea of having a cop hovering over my conversation, dictating who can talk and what they can say, is abhorrent. I admit it.

So I asked. Discussion happened. Some of it hot. Some of it useful. It was going places.

Then the mod of asklemmy bans the whole show.

The self-awareness of a paramecium, I tell you.

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This user did ~~hours~~ over a day of violent and transphobic hate speech and was not banned due to absentee admins. And when admins finally take action it’s for “userbase request”?

Uhhhhh? Am I missing something? SDF admins don’t seem to be willing to operate a community as a community of 4k users.

No hate to the admins if they are underpaid or whatever. SDF just needs to appoint reachable and bare minimally invested admins, and if they can’t maybe shouldn’t be running a Lemmy instance; it’s not really a “set it and forget it” deal.

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Reported less than five of this dipshit's posts and he ended up banning me from all of his communities. Doesn't really surprise me. I've known that reports on Lemmy are faulty and Admin only reports, or more control of who receives them has been suggested but Lemmy's devs never listen.

My advice is to just send messages directly to your Admins as well as his admins, then he can't intercept them.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.cafe/post/12702247

offending user (CW transphobia and queerphobia)https://lemmy.sdf.org/u/ashton1593

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Original post: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/28953165

My comment was:

OP's stated definition of nazism:

Nazism is a dangerous and evil far left wing ideology

A direct quote from OP's stickied post: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/28952853

Interesting that OP wouldn't want us to know what they mean when they say Nazi.

edit: added link to post

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Yesterday I was reading the post about the FUTO keyboard where there were a lot of messages deleted by moderators.
I've commented there

What the heck happened with all the messages deleted by moderator?

And it got deleted. Right now you can only see 4, but I've counted 19 messages moderated and the post has been locked. Why?
I've had a look ad the modlog and the messages don't seems to violate any policy (now they've removed them in the modlog too).

I'm pinging here lemmy.ml admin and the mods of the open source community where the post was posted so they can have their say about it and clarify the situation to me.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

If I'm getting something wrong, please let me know, I'm here to discus and understand if I'm getting something wrong or if something went wrong in the moderation. Thanks!

Down here you can see the deleted comments.

P.s. I'm writing here because I think that this post on lemmy.ml wouldn't last long.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262

A positive score comment chastising an evil dictatorship for supporting a fascist gets removed.

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Absolutely no jokery allowed it seems XD

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Hi all.

First, thanks for reading. I'm not exactly sure if this is the correct location to raise a concern about a ban/deletion, but I guess it's as good as any.

So:

  1. I dont know which mod it was. Log is redacted?
  2. post deleted & banned from the [email protected] community
  3. screenshot of modlog attached
  4. screenshot of comment attached.
  5. It was an appreciated post with 106 upvotes 26 downvotes at deletion and several positive responses yesterday. When I came back today (I'm in Australia so timezones..) the comment was deleted and I was banned - and several negative comments have appeared which I would have liked to respond to.

Original post: a news article about Proton Mail.

My post: Essentially I took the time to read the article and included the quotes of what was written by the CEO that was being discussed in the article - as many in the comments had surprised me by jumping straight to him being a literal Nazi. As not a single other commenter had included the quotes to discuss the source, I thought that would be a valuable contribution. I also gave my opinions which you can see in the comment on the modlog, the formatting is messed up so I included a screenshot of the (recreated) comment. https://lemmy.world/modlog/1347

What I didn't notice was that the article writer had omitted the first part of the Twitter post from the CEO in her quotation of him - so I quoted her, and in doing so missed the context that the CEO had actually started "Great pick by @realDonaldTrump" at the start - which does of course change the context of his Twitter post to praise. This was clarified for me in the angry responses. I would have edited my comment and owned my mistake, however stood by the rest of the comment regarding Proton's official follow-up.

So, is that deletion and ban fair?

Update 10 hours later: contacted a mod directly to see if i can find out more about the ban or perhaps get it remedied.

Update 48 hours later: contacted the entire mod team, and got back feedback from several of them - all helpful. My post has now been undeleted, and my account unbanned from the News community 👍

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https://sh.itjust.works/post/31716642

Edit: There used to be a screenshot here. I messed up the link in an edit and don't have a local copy saved.

My comment was roughly 'It already looks like it might be better than things now, at least Biden never advocated for full displacement of all Palestine."

I had already seen half the comment section of the post with ban marks. This single comment copped me a fully-expected permaban. Unfortunately my comment doesn't show up in modlogs so I had to retype it more or less from memory.

The bloodshed:

Screenshot edited as per mod request.

Most of the banned comments are actually still visible. If you browse the thread you'll notice there's nothing particularly inflammatory or banworthy about any of them.

Best part, in the middle of all that banning, our buddy found the time to mod the one guy in that post who supported his opinions. Welp, another echo chamber in the making.


Follow up:

The mod posted in a similar post in this comm. FWIW, while I stand by my actions and opinion, I did msg them to offer them a personal apology.

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Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community's two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to "punish" the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.

To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump's return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.

After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator's comment, I was banned from [email protected]. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.

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Maybe squid got a new username and infiltrated another instance. lmfao

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If I broke a rule, I apologize, but I'd like to know what I did. Yesterday, I posted a user-generated map of ICE agent sightings and Lemmy.world's automod immediately deleted the post and banned me from the entire site. I have no idea why that post, above all my other interactions with [email protected], warranted a sitewide ban. Is it because I changed the title to blame a vile subreddit when the map went down? I really hope it isn't partisan bias.

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I was in an incident that led to people complaining about me here and by extension in Ask Lemmy, one which I explained my perspective on elsewhere. Then, when sharing my perspective, I was asked by a certain Blaze to share it in YPTB, only for those in charge there to give what amounted to a signal of disregard for it and to take it elsewhere. Going by their own words, I then shared it in [email protected] as the only close alternative available, which, as a part of their own "rules subtext", sometimes allows this, and the person, if not all of those who help with YPTB, proceeded to drop by anyways and scold me because "YTPB has specific posting guidelines in the sidebar".

The implication here is false, at least by my definition of the word "false", and he even alluded to that after it began to be discussed elaborately, albeit before using an appeal to the masses (story of my life) and say "most people seem to understand", which ignores consensus of me and the aforementioned Blaze (as much as the "the truth we all wanted to speak" remark ignores not everyone had that issue). Notice how I responded with "I can spot rules broken by the other person’s thread more easily than I can spot rules broken by mine" and got only thumbs down for it and no responses, yet when I actually dissected the rules piece by piece in front of him to point out that any rule I supposedly broke wasn't there, which even the person who recommended I make the discussion in the first place (the aforementioned Blaze) agreed was a "fair point to be honest", the mod then delved into the concept of "unspoken rules" as an excuse for himself and said he didn't want to "rules-lawyer", which not only disproves what he said about "specific posting guidelines" being "in the sidebar" that supposedly explained what I did wrong, but proved a point I commonly mention about people in different places including here always being uncritical and unwilling to see things for themselves and just taking peoples' word for things (and about that, to respond to Cypher's last reply, intellectual =/= intelligent). A part of that is it also suggests, by extension, that the quantity of thumbs down you garner is unreliable as consistently meaning anything, unless the rule is actually to apply gladiator logic and say a thumbs down signals mercy, as indicated by the very Roman-esque culture around here. I guess all this time, I was being praised and didn't realize it?

This idea of "unspoken rules" and "reading between the lines" seems to be a common theme here because everyone seems to think that concept is valid, and they think that whether you're akin to an outcast is defined by the norms you follow. This makes me curious to ask... hypothetically, if I get all PTB gradings from everyone because I couldn't read the "unspoken rules" or anticipate mod discretion, what if I were to go to the places I have authority over and ban everyone who says or has said anything positive or supportive about Luigi Mangione or what he did? Would I be able to accomplish this without being called a PTB? After all, that is how this all started, and again, that would be an "unspoken rule" on its own that can be chalked up to mod discretion, now wouldn't it? Those are the terms.

I await your choice.

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Okay, this is definitely a minor case, but probably still worth reporting.

Modlog is here, 17 hours ago: https://lemmy.world/modlog/3106

Link to the post content reposted on [email protected]: https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36299751

That question is useful for most of the people, as LW hosts 36% of the users base, and most of the active communities (https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active). Removing it as a support question seems questionable.

The most curious thing is that I investigated a bit, as LW still allows to show which mod performed which action (that how things worked in 0.19.3), and that removal has been performed by a mod that literally hasn't performed any action in 6 months: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=45389

Not wanting to put a tinfoil hat, but it's still curious to me that that specific mod came out from a 5-months inactivity just to remove that one post highlighting potential issues with LW.

What do you all think?

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