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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wow what the hell, this is the first I'm hearing of this change. I use Rocky Linux for my server atm and I was thinking I liked it for server use quite a lot more than Fedora, but if they're going to do this then I'm going to have to jump ship unfortunately. Maybe I'll go back to Debian. Or even better, maybe I'll try using Devuan in a prod server setup for once?

I'm super not happy to have to jump ship again though when I JUST settled into something I'm comfortable with that works near perfectly well for my usecases, after multiple years of jumping around undecided.

E: Although I did just read that statement from the Rocky Linux team, and maybe it'll be fine? But I'm still gonna prepare to move just in case this fucks over the Rocky Linux ecosystem anyways

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Devuan? The SysV Debian linux?

Unexpected choice for a server. I'd like to know why you dont seem to consider OpenSuse Leap which is supposedly more server/enterprise oriented?

Also, have you tried MX linux which is another Debian/sysV? and if so, what do you prefer in Devuan?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I know this isn't related but: Why do I see a completely different set of comments here when I'm logged in, as opposed to when I'm not?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Sometimes comments won't load for the post, it loads the comments for the last post you visited. Refreshing tends to fix it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Could be bc of how you set sorting comments in your account vs guest's default.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I noticed this when I set my language settings in my lemmy profile.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

@REdOG

IBM: We poured money and resources into Linux before 99% of the business world had even heard of it. We helped make it great. Why shouldn't we require a return on that investment?

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I think IBM/RH is bone-headed as heck and are now inexcusable violators of the GPL, and other licenses.

I knew they were going to *break* RH and make it something abominable.

But they *were* there at the very beginning of the 2000s, promoting Linux heavily. (Not altruistically, of course)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Who's surprised? IBM is owned 8% by Blackrock so this shouldn't surprise anybody.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Users looking to run an EL-like linux that pre-dates RedHat's derivation and meddling will want to look at PCLinuxOS .

Its pedigree is mageia, so Mandrake and Conectiva.

While it's got a horrifically bad PXE install, and while that means Vagrants and templates are ghetto and thin on the ground, it's otherwise a very fine OS with a wide compatibility range that RH couldn't even match with this AppStream bullshit (ohai, /etc/alternatives).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are there any other distros that are foss and provide optional enterprise support? Enterprises deploy distros that offer guarantees, warranties, and compliance measures to ensure stability, reliability, and legal compliance. If I'd build a company, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a distro that I can upgrade to an enterprise version when that's necessary. But... now?

I suppose there's Ubuntu and SLES.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I believe opensuse fits your description.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The chatter around the water cooler at my office is that this may kill Rocky Linux and AlmaLinux (at least as downstream forks of RHEL). It will be very painful for companies that want RedHat support for their production systems but don't want to pay for RHEL licenses for developer test beds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fuck, I really hope this doesn't turn the tides for other Red Hat projects.

Not even my Linux distros can escape the enshittiness. WTF man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It's ultimately because of capital. Capital controls resource allocation, so any project that requires resources will have to align with capital interests

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use Fedora, but I'm very uneasy with the fact that they are married to Red Hat. If things go south for Fedora, I hope a community driven fork can survive if not Fedora itself.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Fuckkkk

Huge L for the community and for my cheap ass company that will likely be migrating away soon 😭

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