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They may not be part of your LGBTQ+ community, but there's a large percentage of furries that are LGBTQ+, so they're mostly a part of the same overall communities, with, or without their fursuit on.
Honestly, I didn't think there would be this much judgement from members of a community that should know how important inclusion is.
It's fine to not be a furry, it's fine to not want anything to do with furries. This is in the same way that has been yelled at the cisnormatives for a long time. It's okay to be straight, gay, lesbian, queer, trans, bi, (etc), and it's only to not be a part of that as well. Straight people are supporters of LGBTQ+ rights and freedoms, while not being LGBTQ+. I would think that someone who had to fight and struggle with being accepted by society, and in many ways is still shunned and ostracised by some communities, would understand that different isn't bad, and you can support people in their freedom to express themselves, without feeling the need to express yourself in the same manner. That different isn't bad, it's just different.
I'm disappointed right now. Holy heck.
I'm not a furry, and I have no sexual interest in anything that looks like an animal or anthropomorphic animal looking things either, but if that's what they like and enjoy, then fine. As long as they're not going out and engaging in actual bestiality, who cares? (They're not, btw)
Your judgmentalism is showing.
I've noticed the same thing. There are so many furries who are actually gay men (most of whom claim to be bisexual) - I've seen them actually having sex with other guys in costume to the point of orgasm(!) - who has to clean those things. Anyway - I like the costumes, I like the people involved, and at least they are out there and being proud.
BUT - and this is my own big BUTT showing - I do honestly think there's something to the idea of these people costuming themselves in a way to hide their real orientation from themselves and others. I've just seen so much of these guys obvious attraction to each other but unwillingness to openly say they are gay without any costume, disguise, or other armor on.
Maybe furry is part of a stage in acceptance of themselves, and I'm all OK with it, I just think it's kinda obvious that it's a masquerade about their real sexual feelings in certain ways. (MY thoughts only - feel free to lob horse apples if you disagree). Not that there's anything wrong with it!
I'm with you here. For some it may be a transitional "phase" of getting to know yourself privately in the company of others.
I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons to put on a fursuit or fursona, most of which we wouldn't know about, and would vary on an individual basis. The fact remains that furries shouldn't be excluded because of a minority having some inane thought that they're somehow promoting bestiality. IMO, that's as wrong as saying all trans women just want to get into the ladies washroom for reasons.
This community should well know what it's like to be ostracised, so I would have a hard time believing that the LGBTQ+ community would reject furries because of a few people who have unfounded hangups about it.
I think that's a good way of seeing it, as a "transitional" phase of getting more comfortable with your real self and building a community with others going through the same thing.
The furry suits are exaggeratedly cute, so there's no argument that they help augment someone's attractiveness, and maybe there's a little animal-philia mixed in there also - in an anime sense of exaggerated animal power and sensuality.
I totally get that vibe, they seem ultra willing to be accepting and welcoming to anyone, and I love that. But like you said, a big reason for putting on a fursuit or avatar is liberating "to those that don't feel safe being themselves." That's what I'm getting at - part of the furry thing is disguising your real self.
My thing is, I just wish the world itself was so accepting and welcoming that nobody had to feel unsafe for being who they really are. I'm willing to bet that if we lived in a society where religious bigotry and hate didn't exist, you'd find that there was no furry community at all - no need for masks to hide who you really are or any need to go through "stages of acceptance."
But I'm not slamming the furry community. I've seen a few documentaries about it, and it seems fun and also like a great way to build community with like-minded guys (I'd say girls also, but I've almost never seen women participate in it). I support anything people do that helps them become outgoing or more confident people.
Well it's an interesting idea. People already are animals just as giraffes or elephants, we're just a different species - but still we are part of the Animal kingdom. So in a way, people ARE furry from birth, in having intrinsic animal-like qualities.
With furry-dom, you don an exaggerated physical costume with outsized features like large eyes and big teeth - rather than just developing into a furry from within. As you said, it's fun to leave your human identity behind and be something else for awhile, as we do with dress up at halloween or masquerade balls (do they really have those anymore?).
It's odd that most furry costumes basically look alike - I mean, basically with big eyes and ears and big mouths. Are those features we find attractive in other guys? I mean they look less like real life animals and more like cartoon variations - like you'd find in japanese anime versions of gay animals.
In a way, being a furry is kind of embracing the true animal aspects of human nature and human sexuality, but enlarged into a cartoonish exaggeration. I find it very interesting and if I were younger and had the time, it's something I would probably be into. It looks like fun - except aren't the costumes kind of hot after awhile?
Maybe so, I mean in my case the draw isn't so deep I'd commit to being a furry for certain - in my case, I'd have to actively make that choice. And again, I'd have to choose to spend the $$ to afford a costume!
Yeah the furry costumes ARE adorable but seem so unwieldy, I'm not sure how anyone sees out of them or can even find their way around. And I know myself, I'd be sweating all the time if I had one of those things on. Not a very attractive prospect. I guess you really have to feel that commitment to it from within.