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Just created [email protected]

Hoping there are some fig lovers here that want to join the community!

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I wrote up a comment to a post on Mander, and there shouldn't be any blocks (unless for some reason I'm blocked from /c/palaeoecology for some reason which I see why I would be but please inform me if this is the case), yet when I click the Reply button to post my comment the little spinny animation never ends and if I refresh the page my comment is absent.

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On the Mander homepage I see a number of options for showing what is displayed, but none of them are to just see activity for the communities I am subscribed to. Is this possible?

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You guys may want to avoid it until they can sort it out.

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When going to All, I don't see any posts from beehaw. I'm still very new to the fediverse and wish to understand more. Can anyone explain why this is the case? Thanks!

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Meta has launched a twitter alternative called "Threads". The application allows Instagram accounts and followers to be migrated directly. From what I can find, there are already over 90 million users using threads.[1] It is Meta's plan to allow Threads to interact via ActivityPub with other platforms in the fediverse.

Mander has a generally open federation policy. I don't want to prevent users from accessing specific content through the fediverse purely on ideological grounds, nor do I want to block our information from being accessed. There is a very strong argument to be made to remain federated with Threads in the spirit of having an open and accessible network.

But, after seeing the rushed, non-transparent, and non-EU compliant way that Threads is being deployed, it is obviously not wise to remain federated during the deployment phase. I would be willing to re-federate once it is proven that we can federate with them safely, it is demonstrated that a good amount of value to the users is added by doing so, and that at least a portion of the users is interested in doing so.

Reasons to defederate:

  • The fediverse already lives in a legal gray zone in many respects. Threads was not released into the EU due to regulatory concerns.[2] My server is based in the Netherlands. It appears like no one is sure about what the legal implications are, but I consider federating interactions with Threads to present a new liability with a larger amount of risk. The added risk is related to the fact that Meta is often being looked at by regulators, and instances could be pulled into a Meta-related investigation. A hypothetical example - and I don't know if this is accurate or not - federated comments from EU users that end up saved in Meta's servers could be construed as a GDPR violation due to the transfer of EU user data. These are risks that are already present in the fediverse, but interacting with Meta may increase the likelyhood of being pulled into a Meta-related legal problem.

  • Threads is being released in a very hurried manner to capitalize on the unpopularity of Twitter at the moment. They are deploying these tools at random times without first informing the world about how they work. As far as I can tell, they have told us nothing about how they will actually use ActivityPub. All that we know is that suddenly hundreds of millions of people will be able to take actions that in some way interact with our servers. A likely scenario is that this will be similar to mastodon, their users will be able to make comments to a Lemmy server, and this won't cause a problem. But they may choose to do something differently, or they can make a mistake in their implementation. A mistake at the scale of hundreds of millions of users would easily deal catastrophic damage to a small instance.

  • The developers of Lemmy have strongly encouraged instance admins to defederate with threads. They develop this platform and know it much better than I do. I respect them and trust their judgement, so a strong encouragement coming from them is something that I take very seriously.

  • Most users who have commented on this topic here and in other instances want to defederate. While I do prefer to take a stance in favor of a more open federation policy, I do think that the case of a giant corporate entity deploying a potentially destructive platform into the fediverse is a special case.


Generally I prefer to assume good faith and only defederate as a last resort in response to a practical problem. In this case, we are dealing with a commercial for-profit entity that has a strong record of not acting in good faith. The massive scale of this thing is such that we could lose the luxury of being able to easily respond to a sudden practical problem.

I don't love Meta, and they are most likely not joining the space because they are passionate about helping us create privacy-centric decentralized social networks in which profit and growth are not the motives. But this is an opinion. In the future, if users actually want that, I am committed to re-assessing and potentially re-federating once the dust settles. But I can't justify taking this level of risk at this time.

If no one asks for it, I wouldn't actively try to re-federate.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I've updated the instance to the most recent versions (UI: 0.18.1-rc.11, BE: 0.18.1-rc.10)

This update brought with it some unexpected changes to the CSS and broke the theme, so I've changed the default theme back to the darkly theme until I have time to study and fix the stylesheet...

Sorry if any of you noticed a very broken site a few minutes ago!

EDIT: Ok, I think I've mostly restored the original default stylesheet. If you were using a non-default theme, that might still be broken.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.studio/post/188937

I appointed myself as a moderator of my community [email protected] and it shows on the page on Mander but not on lemmy.studio, and I am not able to moderate the community from my lemmy.studio account.

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Just wondering, not calling for one to be created if it doesn't exist. I don't want to overwhelm @Sal with more moderation and work ;)

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If anyone wants to help populate the server, here is a current list of RSS feeds, not including a backlog of things I need to add. Another project for another day. It would be a great help for days that I cannot. :)

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

In the context of recent comments^[1]^^[2]^ made by the admin, I feel the need to bring up some thoughts I have on the relationships between free speech, moderation, impartiality and social issues.

For a start, I need to point out that science -- the study and exploration of the unknown -- is wrought with politics and social biases. Science could not be conducted without the exchange and preservation of information. Consider the endpoints and media of these exchanges of information. Humans preserve knowledge by storing it within their minds and/or inscribing it onto external media, and then communicating to others how and where to extract this information through social interactions.

Humans are biased and prone to irrationality. We know this. We know that biases dictate the rules and dynamics of social interaction, and that irrationality feeds into the formation of biases and vice versa. There is no such thing as an objective mind or impartial act; at best it is ignorance that counteracts one's biases, and this is how we try to conduct science. But we can not get any science done by only ever making blind choices in the interest of impartiality and fairness. We have to use moral judgement and intuition in order to make choices. What to research; how to interpret partial data; what conclusions to draw based on limited knowledge; how to even draw conclusions; what questions to ask; what answers to expect; what methods to use; whose interest to serve while prioritising.

The notion that you can just "be rational" and "stick to the science" is misguided. It prevents us from identifying our blindspots and biases. Recognising and acknowledging our limitations in perspective and understanding is vital to our efforts to deepen and widen our understanding of -- and existence within -- the natural world.

Let's consider what this means for members of a community such as this instance. When you are exposed to information -- whether misleading, false, essential or true -- what dictates your response to it is primarily a non-conscious process involving emotions, cognitive/physical state, innate primal instincts, etc. Your ability to reason only ever presents itself after your brain has interpreted the input signals and triggered an autonomic response. For many people, the non-conscious process can in some cases negatively affect their mental or even physical state in a very real and serious way (due to implications, extrapolations or associations of certain types of information - could be tragedy/gore/harassment or more complex triggers), often preventing them from dealing with it in a healthy and constructive manner. It's more nuanced than simply having or not having a (C-)PTSD diagnosis, and it is no one else's business to judge whether a person's inner experience is valid or that they should "suck it up" and "learn to deal with it". Unless one is an anti-social prick who thinks "survival of the fittest" makes for an excellent slogan and moral basis for a healthy society, of course.

Let's now consider how this relates to moderators of a community. If someone is responding negatively to some piece of information, one would do well to reflect upon why that may be, and what, if anything, can be reasonably done to prevent that. It is the task a moderator should be concerned with, so that they can form a basis for judgement. Sometimes a person can't be helped; sometimes it isn't in a group's interest to even attempt to fix a person's personal issues. But it is worth considering the implications when making a choice in who to accommodate. The choice may be passive or active. The former could be letting each person moderate their own experience; the latter could be defederating from instances that only contribute negatively to your community.

So, who should we accommodate? The anti-social extremist lashing out, ranting about conspiracies at anyone who will listen? Do you listen in the hope that it makes them (and.. you?) better people or do you shut the door to spare the rest of the room?

What about the trans person ranting about frequent harassment? Do you listen and consider their situation or do you let them figure it out on their own?

What about the autistic science nerd that gets upset over systematic disinformation and pseudoscientific posts populating their feed (and, by induction, everyone else's)? Do you crack down on those posters or let the nerds fight their own battle in the free marketplace of ideas (I mean, they're the rational ones with science on their side so they would surely win - sorry, had to sneak in a bit of diatribe)?

What purpose does unconditional (barring illegal conduct and spam) federation serve this instance? Who in this place appreciates the content and values sported by the people over at exploding-heads (for reasons other than absolute principles of freedom)? Forget breaking rules or laws; what potential value does a hypothetical Nazi or religious extremist group bring to this place? In whose interest is this instance acting when making (in)decisions about what other platforms are free to interact with (or at) us?

How do we expect this place to evolve over time as people who appreciate the moderation style here trickle in and remain active while people who are uncomfortable with it slowly evaporate?

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It has blatant homophobia, transphobia, racism, vaccine anti-science misinformation, etc. What is mander stand on this?

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Does mander.xyz block sh.itjust.works? I don't see it in this list: https://mander.xyz/instances

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Hello, I'm a Reddit refugee and I was a prolific poster on r/skeptic. I would love a Lemmy skeptics community, but I haven't found an active one anywhere. Mander seems like a good place for one. If I started one, would people be interested?

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

See below:

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/798826

although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we've signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:

i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity

the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here's a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.

Frankly, I am leery (due to the 3 Es and will probably be blocking them on Mastodon as I do not think my server will. That being said, I am curious to see what happens and will not do it until I peer into the void... I plan on camping out on Mander either way. :)

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Was checking out the various communities, deciding which ones to subscribe to, and found the SpaceEngine community. Never even heard of this software (does it count as a game?) before but it is super neat (and also available DRM-free on GOG).

Mander, and the threadiverse more broadly, is cool.

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If you had to fly, what item within reach would help the most and how?

Bonus points for photos.

Extra bonus points for MS Paint type diagrams of the function.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I'd love to have one for [email protected], and I have this sketch I made that I'd be happy to use, but it doesn't quite fit the style of other communities:

Is someone in particular making these, or are they coming from a particular place?

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(Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere and I missed it!)

Open question for our mod and anyone else who would like to weigh in!

I tend to post photos and art, and over time the size of these things can pile up. In my most recent post I linked to an imgur upload instead, and while it works fine, it does require the ~~viewer/user to click-through (and be subjected to iMgUr AdS)~~ (see the edit below) rather than simply view the thing here on Mander.

So right now I prefer the ease of directly uploading and find that it looks nicer, but boy I get self-conscious about literally taking up space. Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

EDIT: Solved this particular problem! See Salamander's response for the fix.

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Apologies if this isn't the right place to post this, please do advise

I have been very patient with some of the nuances / learning curves of lemmy. I think that In time these will be ironed out and we'll have a thriving user base. However, I do feel that these issues need to be resolved at the earliest because right now is the time many users are leaving reddit or looking for an alternative. If the situation arises that the issues that the community faces while using lemmy are not fixed in timely manner, then new users might simply decide to not stay here very long.

There are a couple of things that are bothering me, but among them are few that cause me to stop using lemmy after a while. I'll try to list them here simply for the fact that I couldn't find any space which felt suited for this. If any one of you knows where this will be better suited please let me know, or post it there.

Anyway, here's my list:

  • I'm unable to subscribe to some communities. With some of them I was successful after I k interacted with them, but others like technology or android communities are still pending.
  • after viewing a post, when I click back it often takes me back to the top. Facing the issue on both the web page and jerboa app
  • sometimes, mander.xyz is unaccessible. The webpage gives an error that such a page doesn't exist while other communities still show up. Not sure why this is
  • the main feed is still a mess. I have to visit the subscribed communities to get any real content from them, but the subscribed feed either shows old content or just spams from a few of them.

Other issues also exist, but I feel these are the ones that really need to be addressed.

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I am trying to create a new account at Mander, but after submitting my info and clicking "register" the page keeps hanging? Does anyone else recognize this?

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I've seen seeing posts all over Lemmy about bots inundating instances with sign-ups. I'm just wondering if mander.xyz is doing OK.

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